Nothing lasts forever in this life

[dybmh]

Are you referring to the "Your god is a jealous god" ?
I take that to mean that ascribing partners to G-d is unforgivable.

Yet this has nothing to do with the needs of G-d, and everything to do with the needs of mankind.
By ascribing partners to G-d, we can make up more or less anything we like.

No, I'm referring to Moses' argument for retaining the Jewish people as God's nation after the sin of the Golden calf. The argument is that God's reputation would be tarnished among the other nations if God destroyed the Jewish people and started a new nation. The implication is that God's reputation is highly valued. If God had no needs then God's reputation would not have been a strong argument.

Regarding partners with God, it is a Jewish idea that people are partners with God when we reveal the holiness hidden in the material world.

 

[Trailblazer]

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That does not mean he was "a famous Baha'i." Most Baha'is have never even heard of him, and those who have heard of him take his writings about the afterlife with a grain of salt.

"One of the most remarkable of these has centred in the East round the Persian prophet Bahá'u'lláh. This Messenger of God has returned to his own high place, but his message of brotherhood and love begins to stir the hearts of men. Many of his prophecies have already been fulfilled. The ideals of unity and brotherhood for which he stood are spreading widely, despite the war. His Book of Laws remains to be made known to the world, but the inspiration which called it forth is certainly divine in origin. Bahá'u'lláh's son, the explainer of the message, whose name is Abdu'l Baha Abbas (servant of God), still dwells among men, controlling and directing the promulgation of a spiritual movement that seems likely to encircle the globe with the great ideal of unity." (p45-46)

That's true, he tangentially mentioned the Baha'i Faith, it says that on the website.

Notes:
This book only tangentionally mentions the Bahá'í Faith; see pages 45-46.
Read about the author at Wikipedia.

But what he wrote about the afterlife was not derived from any Baha'i scriptures.
That was your original claim, which is false. What he wrote about the afterlife was derived from communicating with the spirit of Private Dowding.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Firstly, it's not mockery.
Second, mockery has long been a legitimate tool for criticising ideological beliefs (google "satire").

What on earth makes you think that I don't understand that people have different views on these subjects? What do you think we've been debating all this time?

Maybe I need to explain how debate works.
None person presents their position. Another [person - who disagree with it - presents counter arguments, finding faults in the other person's arguments. This goes back and forth.
Do you really think debate is about agreeing with the other person?

Everyone can be wrong about an issue.

I have debated people from most faiths, on many forums over the years, but this is the first time I have run across several, dedicated Bahais in one place, and I have never encountered such universal lack of critical faculties or ability to grasp basic concepts. I wonder if Bahaism attracts a specific type, or there is something about Bahaism that affects those who follow it.
Either way, it's quite worrying.

It is difference in debating to learn and debating to try to make people feel as a failour.

 

[Trailblazer]

It is difference in debating to learn and debating to try to make people feel as a failour.

or debating only to make yourself look like a success, at all times and under all conditions...
When someone can never meet another person halfway, it is a sure sign of ego.

 

[Spirit of Light]

or debating only to make yourself look like a success, at all times and under all conditions...
When someone can never meet another person halfway, it is a sure sign of ego.

Very true

 

[PearlSeeker]

or it can run with no hardware.

Some say we inhabit more than one body.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Stop thinking of god like a human. It can't be "jealous" because that's a human emotion. God has no human emotions because it is nothing like a human.

Agreed upon.

However, Almighty God has spiritual attributes that we can recognise in ourselves.
eg. 99 names

..yet these attributes are not identical as in imperfect humans .. and spite isn't one of them.

 

[muhammad_isa]

If someone is resuscitated, they were not dead, they merely had impaired physiological systems.

..not far off dead .. if the heart isn't pumping, and the lungs aren't functioning, one loses consciousness.
..you might call it "dreaming", but I for one do not.

 

[Trailblazer]

Some say we inhabit more than one body.

I don't think we inhabit more than one body at a time, but I think we will inhabit a different kind of body after we die.

 

[samtonga43]

Nothing has been explained except by me. I have explained but you lack the capacity to understand what I have explained.

O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us
An’ foolish notion:
Translation:
Oh, would some Power give us the gift
To see ourselves as others see us!
It would from many a blunder free us,
And foolish notion:

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

That is very interesting. I did not know your husband is a Christian.
I might have some questions for you later in a Conversation.

Meanwhile, what are the threads you have started in this forum that address spirit communications?
Also, in your opinion, are the earthbound spirits stuck in this realm of existence, and is that why they do not move on to higher spiritual realms? Do you think they have unfinished business?

My inbox is always open, so feel free to send me a PM anytime. The Paranormal Activities forum is where you will find my threads, along with my other posts in paranormal related threads posted by other members. And my answer is yes to your last questions. It's my belief that some human spirits refuse to cross over because they have unfinished business, or sometimes a human spirit doesn't realize that they are dead. In the paranormal field, it is commonly believed that when someone passes away abruptly (such as in a car accident or from a sudden heart attack), they are unaware that they have died. Based on my experience as a psychic medium and as a paranormal investigator, this belief was validated by some of the spirits I've communicated with and by EVPs I've heard on a Spirit Box or captured on an EVP recorder by other paranormal investigators. I have spoken to spirits who didn't know that they had died.

For example, I spoke with one spirit who asked me if she was dead. I told her yes, and then I asked her if she knew how she died, and she told me the last thing she remembered was feeling a sharp pain in her chest and that she couldn't breath. She was upset and sad that she died so suddenly. She was one of the spirits that I encouraged to cross over into the light. And while investigating a haunted location with other paranormal investigators, we heard a spirit speak through a Spirit Box and ask, "Am I dead?" and this spirit also said, "I'm confused!" We also heard a spirit fretfully say, "The children aren't in heaven yet!" and another asked, "Where is Jesus?"

I've been interacting and communicating with spirits for several years now, and I can assure you that it's not always easy to interact and communicate with a spirit, especially when several of them are trying to communicate with me at once and they keep talking over each other. It requires a lot of patience to interact and communicate with spirits because they can be distressed, angry, or confused. I won't keep going on and on, so I would like you to know that I go into further detail about my personal views on earthbound souls in this thread here. If you have any questions to ask me, please feel free to send me a message. As I said, my inbox is always open.

 

[Vinayaka]

Including life itself.

 

[ppp]

No, in heaven we will have a spiritual body that our soul will be downloaded onto.

Yow! The tale just keeps growing with the telling.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you have any questions to ask me, please feel free to send me a message. As I said, my inbox is always open.

Thanks. I will definitely send you a Conversation as soon as I have time and feel the time is right.

Some of what you have said in your post I found in the books I cited, Private Dowding and The Afterlife Revealed.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yow! The tale just keeps growing with the telling.

It is not a tale, it is a true story, but you will have to find that out for yourself.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Thanks. I will definitely send you a Conversation as soon as I have time and feel the time is right.

Some of what you have said in your post I found in the books I cited, Private Dowding and The Afterlife Revealed.

I plan to read the books you cited when I have some time to spare. Thank you for posting the links. I just remembered that George-ananda said something similar to me in another thread (click here) a few weeks ago. It seems my beliefs have been validated again.

 

[CG Didymus]

I plan to read the books you cited when I have some time to spare. Thank you for posting the links. I just remembered that George-ananda said something similar to me in another thread (click here) a few weeks ago. It seems my beliefs have been validated again.

It might be worth getting more clarity on what the Baha'i Faith really says and believes about the paranormal. Here's a couple of quotes from a Baha'i article...

The Baha’i writings speak passionately of an afterlife in which souls continue to progress and develop spiritually, but what do they say about evil spirits? It turns out that the Writings have a clear perspective on this topic. They state, for example, that God has not created any intrinsically evil spirits. In fact, for Baha’is the concepts of evil and Satan actually refer to humanity’s “lower nature”...

What about psychic powers and experiences such as premonitions and communication with the dead? Interestingly, the Baha’i Writings do acknowledge the existence of psychic powers and experiences, but state that these should not be used or cultivated, even if the intention is to help others. The language about this is quite strong, even suggesting that attempting to develop these faculties can weaken a person’s spiritual capacities. Cultivating or using these powers is also problematic because they are not understood, they are potentially dangerous, and we have no way of knowing whether or not they provide true information.​

 

[ppp]

It is not a tale, it is a true story, but you will have to find that out for yourself.

I have seen nothing to indicate that you have any concern for truth.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have seen nothing to indicate that you have any concern for truth.

Likewise, I have seen nothing to indicate that you have any concern for truth.

 

[ppp]

Likewise, I have seen nothing to indicate that you have any concern for truth.

Nah. You are just mimicking. In fact, you are about to do it again.