Nothing lasts forever in this life

[KWED]

Nope. Two very specific claims about what the afterlife will not be like.
What the afterlife will not be like says nothing about what the afterlife will be like.

I can't believe anyone can really be this dense.

 

[KWED]

consciousness IS a product of the brain,
the soul is responsible for consciousness.
when we die and no longer have a brain, consciousness continues,

There is NO contradiction whatsoever.

The reason that consciousness continues (when we die and no longer have a brain) is because the soul, which is responsible for consciousness, does not die when the brain dies. The soul lives on in the spiritual world where it associates itself with a spiritual body and continues to be conscious.

Maybe if you would actually read what I actually say you might be able to understand it. You might not agree with it, but at least you would understand my actual position.

I think most people understand your position better than you do.

 

[KWED]

Our consciousness does not die with the brain since the soul - which is responsible for consciousness - lives on after the brain dies. The soul leaves the body when we die and passes to the spiritual world, where it takes on a new form, a spiritual body, which is fully conscious.

The soul is "us"; it is the sum total of who we are as persons.
We are a soul, not a physical body. The physical body is simply what the soul associates with while we are living in a physical body.

This pointless again. You are just talking nonsense. The flaws have been explained, but you seem to lack the capacity to understand what is going on.

Private Dowding
The Afterlife Revealed

Those are unsupported anecdotes, not evidence. As has been repeatedly explained.

 

[CG Didymus]

Well, we must part our ways, then. To me, if someone demonstrates things extraordinary while claiming to the be Messenger of God, that proves the existence of God.

Yes, like when Moses had his cane turn into a snake, and it ate Pharoah's snake. Or later when he parted the seas. Or when Jesus walked on water and raised Lazarus from the dead, then later he himself came back to life and ascended into the clouds. Or wait, we don't believe those things really happened. Claims of religious miracles has made some people very skeptical. Should they trust the religious person or some religious story, or demand that tangible proof be provided?

I've known people that claimed they could levitate and astro-travel. Then there's Satan and demons. Some people say they've had an experience with them that seemed real... but was it? Since Baha'is don't believe in Satan and demons, then what did these people see and experience? I've met Baha'is that say they saw Abdul Baha'. Was it real or in their head? I heard a Baha'i travel teacher say that she was being driven to an Indian village and the dirt road was washed out. She told the driver to back up and floor it. She said they made the jump. Sorry, but I don't believe her.

The other problem, even if some of the stories are real, there are people that have contradictory beliefs that have seen extraordinary things that support their beliefs. What's happening? Are there crazy things going on in some spiritual plane? Is it all in the mind? Are Baha'i miracles true and these others from people in these other religions false? Until we have more proof, some of us remain skeptical of the claims of all religious people.

 

[KWED]

Simple. Because God did not endow the lower animals with a soul.

Your guess is as good as mine.

It is completely illogical to say that if I disagree with Abdu'l-Baha I also disagree with Baha'u'llah, since they are two separate persons.

No, I do not disagree with Baha'u'llah, I disagree with Abdu'l-Baha on this matter, and so do many other Baha'is.

No, it means that Abdu'l-Baha is not infallible because he was not a Manifestation of God.
Only Manifestations of God are infallible.

Time to leave you to your delusions again. Genuinely baffled by what goes on in your head.

 

[dybmh]

God does not need our worship since God has no needs.

Hi TB, It is my view that God does have needs. One of God's attributes is that God is complete. God cannot be complete without recognition/worship.

 

[KWED]

it cannot be like time here given it is a spiritual world where there is nothing physical by which to calculate and measure time. It cannot be like time here where time is measured by the sun, because there is no sun in the spiritual world.

Yet again, you are claiming to know what the afterlife is like, whilst claiming to know nothing about what it is like.
And on that note, adieu. I leave you to your incessant flip-floppery.

 

[Trailblazer]

I can't believe anyone can really be this dense.

What the afterlife will not be like says nothing about what the afterlife will be like.
I cannot believe anyone can be this illogical.

We know that John is not an engineer.
That does not tell us what John's occupation is like.

I have a car. My car does not have a GPS or a turbo-charged motor.
That does not tell us what my car is like.

This is logic 101.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think most people understand your position better than you do.

You do not know what 'most people' understand, you only know what you understand.
That is called deflection. Obviously you do not understand my position so you deflect.

 

[KWED]

1. He was not a famous Baha'i.

Wellesley Tudor Pole - WikipediaWellesley Tudor Pole - Wikipedia
The Extraordinary Life and Work of Wellesley Tudor Pole

2. He did not reference Baha'i scripture.

"One of the most remarkable of these has centred in the East round the Persian prophet Bahá'u'lláh. This Messenger of God has returned to his own high place, but his message of brotherhood and love begins to stir the hearts of men. Many of his prophecies have already been fulfilled. The ideals of unity and brotherhood for which he stood are spreading widely, despite the war. His Book of Laws remains to be made known to the world, but the inspiration which called it forth is certainly divine in origin. Bahá'u'lláh's son, the explainer of the message, whose name is Abdu'l Baha Abbas (servant of God), still dwells among men, controlling and directing the promulgation of a spiritual movement that seems likely to encircle the globe with the great ideal of unity." (p45-46)

Enough! I must stop feeding the troll!

 

[Trailblazer]

The flaws have been explained but you seem to lack the capacity to understand what is going on.

Nothing has been explained except by me.
I have explained but you lack the capacity to understand what I have explained.

 

[CG Didymus]

I think most people understand your position better than you do.

Hmmm? It sure seems like we think with our brain. When the brain shuts down, we stop thinking. Then there is the dreamworld. When the brain stops, can we still dream?

Oh, and about the soul. We have a sperm cell and a little egg. They join together, then what? God sends a soul into it? A half a soul was in the sperm and half was in the egg? Since they are both alive, they must have either a spirit or soul, wouldn't they? How does the sperm know what to do? Does it have a way to think? And of course, every religion has a different theory. But, as usual, the only correct theory is the one from the Baha'is.

 

[Trailblazer]

Hi TB, It is my view that God does have needs. One of God's attributes is that God is complete. God cannot be complete without recognition/worship.

I believe God is complete, but I never heard that God needs recognition/worship to be complete.
Is that found in your scriptures?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Hi TB, It is my view that God does have needs. One of God's attributes is that God is complete. God cannot be complete without recognition/worship.

Are you referring to the "Your god is a jealous god" ?
I take that to mean that ascribing partners to G-d is unforgivable.

Yet this has nothing to do with the needs of G-d, and everything to do with the needs of mankind.
By ascribing partners to G-d, we can make up more or less anything we like.

 

[KWED]

Why do you keep the mocking of certain believers up each day?

Firstly, it's not mockery.
Second, mockery has long been a legitimate tool for criticising ideological beliefs (google "satire").

Is it difficult for you to grasp that people have different belief an understanding of how life and existence happens?

What on earth makes you think that I don't understand that people have different views on these subjects? What do you think we've been debating all this time?

You are you self the one who going in circle trying to fault everyone who do not agee with you. That is not working anymore, because mostly everyone who discuss or debate you have realized your game

Maybe I need to explain how debate works.
None person presents their position. Another [person - who disagree with it - presents counter arguments, finding faults in the other person's arguments. This goes back and forth.
Do you really think debate is about agreeing with the other person?

If you are not right about something, nobody else is, right?

Everyone can be wrong about an issue.

I have debated people from most faiths, on many forums over the years, but this is the first time I have run across several, dedicated Bahais in one place, and I have never encountered such universal lack of critical faculties or ability to grasp basic concepts. I wonder if Bahaism attracts a specific type, or there is something about Bahaism that affects those who follow it.
Either way, it's quite worrying.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yet again, you are claiming to know what the afterlife is like, whilst claiming to know nothing about what it is like.

I never claimed that I know NOTHING about what the afterlife is like.
I said it is a spiritual world but we do not know what it will be like to live in a spiritual world because we have only ever lived in a physical world.

 

[Trailblazer]

Everyone can be wrong about an issue.

Everyone includes you.

 

[KWED]

Are you referring to the "Your god is a jealous god" ?
I take that to mean that ascribing partners to G-d is unforgivable.

Stop thinking of god like a human. It can't be "jealous" because that's a human emotion. God has no human emotions because it is nothing like a human.

 

[dybmh]

Is that found in your scriptures?

It's a teaching from the 7th Lubavitch Rebbe. If I recall its source is in the the story of the golden calf. God is very angry with the Jewish people for worshipping it. God threatens to destroy them and start a new nation. Moses is able to convince God not to do it because of how it would be recognized by the other nations. The lesson is that God's reputation is highly valued. The implication is that God needs our recognition else he would have destroyed the nation for the sin of the golden calf.

 

[KWED]

Many people have died [ stopped heart & breathing ], and have had strange experiences.

All perfectly well explained by medical science. Lack of oxygen, trauma, unconsciousness etc are all known to cause hallucinations. have you heard of "dreaming". When it happens, we experience things that seem very real. Then we wake up.

[quoyte]My father was an atheist.
He died for a few minutes, and when he was resucitated, he said that a person all dressed in white was saying "Come on, come here", but he said no, no, I'm not ready yet .. and then woke up. [/QUOTE] If someone is resuscitated, they were not dead, they merely had impaired physiological systems.