Now Belgium bans burqa in public places

[fatima_bintu_islam]

You don't see that many women with burqa's anyway here.

Just because you dont see them, it doesnt mean they dont exist

 

[Classicus]

I love when this kind of arguments start coming up. My friend, these are just the most primary results of Europe attacking other people in their homelands, not a result of coming back to religion.

When will I finally start hearing things like:"Well, Europe deserved it for all the suffer it made whole populations go through?" or at least something as sincere as ;"Not much cartoonists or film directors have been murdered as much as little kids have been murdered all over Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere"

May Allah azza wajjal give us patience, coz I start lacking it when I see such irrational comments.

Actually the statement you attack AND yours are both as 'bad'.

 

[Classicus]

Just because you dont see them, it doesnt mean they dont exist

True. But still not many people here seem to be affected. And as mentioned many of my friends are muslim.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Actually the statement you attack AND yours are both as 'bad'.

Wich statement of mine do you qualify as bad?

 

[Luminous]

Preventing women from driving cars can not be compared with banning them from practicing their religion freely!!!

if your religion requires you to not show your face...stay at home.

 

[Aquitaine]

if your religion requires you to not show your face...stay at home.

The thing is, I don't think it does require Women to hide their faces. I'm not sure where the practice of wearing face-covering Burkas/Niqab originated from (maybe Saudi Arabia?) but to my knowledge it's not required "in Islam".

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

The thing is, I don't think it does require Women to hide their faces. I'm not sure where the practice of wearing face-covering Burkas/Niqab originated from (maybe Saudi Arabia?) but to my knowledge it's not required "in Islam".

A quick search in Google and you'll get all the evidences you need. Now , wether the evidences are undertood correctly, then as I said before ( I think I said it you, no?) ;in Islam, the fundamentals are one if you go against the fundamentals then you're out of Islam, and then there are jurisprudence issues where only those who have acquired enough knowledge (learn Quran, its sciences, hadeeth and its sciences, fiqh and its rules) those can look into evidences and conclude rulings. When scholars conclude rulings, it is obvious that there will be differences with other scholars, and differences are a big part of our religion, those who adhere correctly to Islam are the best dealing with differences. It is a mercy for the Ummah to have differences, because what is normal for one culture is very difficult to the others, thats why a ruling is based on Quran, sunnah and then the general context of the situation.

To sum up, Burqa is a disputed matter; but most most of scholars says its an additional thing you can add to protect yourself and get close to Allah. And yes, the wifes of the prophet sallalahu alayhi wassalam wore it , but the rest some used to wear it others no.

Here's an abrigment of the book of sheykh al albani may Allah have mercy on him(dunno if you knw him) about the muslims women's dress . I tried to find you the book translated but in vain, (strange as it is a very well known book). You'll find enough arguments to help you undestand the issue.

Hope it helps

 

[Panda]

My opinion is that things like the burqa should not get special treatment, be that singling them out for banning or allowing them to be worn where other face coverings for non-religious reasons wouldn't. Religious beliefs should not be ground for exemption from any kind of rules in place.

 

[zenzero]

Friend fatima,

Would it be correct to perceive that what you mean is that in islam there is no freedom and if one follows his/her own heart which are not in line with the imam's interpretation of the quran is thrown out of the religious community?
Also none is sure of the reasons as to why the burqa has to be worn compulsorily by all women?

Love & rgds

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Friend zenzero,

Just as we dont allow normal people to start giving medicine to patients, we dont allow laypeople to spread ruling without knowledge.

Become a doctor and you'll be able to give medicine. Learn your religion, become an Imam and you"ll be able to conclude rulings, otherwise stick to the doctors medicine.

Also none is sure of the reasons as to why the burqa has to be worn compulsorily by all women?

Wrong. Each part has their own arguments. Some said its compulsory because such and such, but most of them say its not because such and such and such and such. And you're free to follow what you want.

Best regards

 

[zenzero]

Friend fatima,

It is still confusing!
If someone wants to experiment a new medicine unless he has that certificate of a doctor, cannot do so even on himself?
[not all cures have been discovered by certified doctors; many come from understanding of people on their own too]
Also all women are free to wear the burqa if they wish and not wear if the do not wish?
is it correct now?

Love & rgds

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

If someone wants to experiment a new medicine unless he has that certificate of a doctor, cannot do so even on himself?
[not all cures have been discovered by certified doctors; many come from understanding of people on their own too]

He is free to experiment whatever medicine he wishes, but not on people because then he'll be a danger on society. Same with Islamic rulings.

Also all women are free to wear the burqa if they wish and not wear if the do not wish?
is it correct now?

Yes, and those who wear it are doing a volountary act that purify them and make them closer to Allah.

Best regards

 

[zenzero]

Friend fatima,

Thanks, that did help.

Love & rgds

 

[zenzero]

Friends,

It is clear from our friend fatima's response that wearing of the veil/burqa is a voluntary act which helps the wearer to be closer to Allah.
In such a situation find that the Belgians have maintained a delicate balance with their new legislation as muslim women when outside their houses will now be closer to other citizens [without veil] and when at home can be closer to Allah if they wish.
No complaints!

Love & rgds

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Please, dont put words in my mouth buddy. If you want to conclude someth , be a man and dont hide in my back.

As for your conclusion, then it is very obvious that you're not serious at all and are just wasting my time so I wont bother myself to answer you as it is very late here.

Good night and best regards

 

[zenzero]

Friend fatima,

Your response makes it clear that we are not buddies as personally consider everyone to be a friend under all circumstances and do take their help in growing my personal understanding as they [friends] are also medium and forms of the same energy which are labeled as god/allah/brahman or just the *whole* [personal preference].

If in your view the conclusion is wrongly placed, you are free like every human to voice your opinion on the subject in response.

Yes, also am sure you will read this when you wake up fresh from a good night sleep and would have been in touch with that whole/energy through out the rest period and will be charged positively to respond accordingly at that time.

Good morning!
Love & rgds

 

[darkendless]

Something i don't understand is whats wrong with a hijab? Especially in the west. I'm not an illusionist, people do fear the dress with a slit for sight.

Reality: people will not get over their fear.

Question: why would a government permit something that the majority doesn't agree with, rights and freedom and all that garbage aside?

 

[kai]

i dont think governments should ban people wearing burkas, but neither should people be surprised if they are asked to show their faces for an identity check in certain places.

on a personal level, they look about as alien as you can get in my country, but as long as the women is wearing it out of choice its fine by me.

 

[Caladan]

I love when this kind of arguments start coming up. My friend, these are just the most primary results of Europe attacking other people in their homelands, not a result of coming back to religion.

And I love it when Europe or the West is used as a red herring, as if the West is one lump of imperialistic catalyst for all the wrongs in Islamic societies.
are you implying that Muslims have punished ex Muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali for the American invasion? or punished Salman Rushdie because of British interests in the middle east? Belgian cartoonists went into hiding because their terrible pen is worse than the rifle of an American soldier?

When will I finally start hearing things like:"Well, Europe deserved it for all the suffer it made whole populations go through?" or at least something as sincere as ;"Not much cartoonists or film directors have been murdered as much as little kids have been murdered all over Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere"

May Allah azza wajjal give us patience, coz I start lacking it when I see such irrational comments.

This is nothing but a red herring. the politicians, activists, artists, film directors were targeted because they CRITICIZED. it seems that there are Muslims who are terrified by the pen of the cartoonist or the writer and not the rifle of the American soldier, so far that they are willing to kill the artist. please stay focused, if you want to start a topic about the American invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan than start a thread about it, dont use it to divert the topic.

 

[Sajdah]

i dont think governments should ban people wearing burkas, but neither should people be surprised if they are asked to show their faces for an identity check in certain places.

Exactly! That would solve the "security" problem, if that was what they are complaining from.....But in fact the problem is that some people believed that they are the heroes who are going to "liberate" Muslim women from the "oppression" of the "Niqab" :sarcastic