Now that the door is open, where does it close?

[ImmortalFlame]

Thief is ninja but God is love and love wins...

Someone never read Romeo and Juliet...

 

[SomeRandom]

If everyone turned homosexual the human race would eventually come to an end. Homosexuality is against God and if you don't believe in God it's still against nature. If you really what to start thinking right and begin to understand what going on around you you need to allow God to take you out of the kingdom of darkness and put you in the kingdom of His Son.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

Good thing gay people have always been in the minority then, right? I mean such a scenario of all people being gay is so out there, why would one even bother to care about the supposed "consequences?" Not even speculative fiction authors would find that fun to play with.

However, if everyone was homosexual, and that's a ginormous IF, then surrogacy would skyrocket. Propagation might be instinctual, but it's not dependent on any sexual orientation. Sexual acts, maybe. But not sexual orientation. I mean geez, Oscar Wilde is as flaming as they come and the guy had a wife and three kids.
What's interesting is, according to our own propagation techniques, if every human were male then we actually would die off. Strange no one seems up in arms about men being unnatural. And they vastly outnumber gay people to begin with.

Oh and just FYI homosexual behavior exists in nature. Literally nothing can go against nature if it exists in it.

 

[Marisa]

"We found NO evidence that chick-fil-A itself spent money (let alone millions) lobbying congress to prevent that body from issuing a condemnation of a controversial Ugandan legislative bill which carried the death penalty for some homosexual acts. ... (in addition) FRC did NOT support the Uganda bill or the death penalty for homosexuality..."

I never said it did. Perhaps you need to re-read my comment in that regard? Here's what I said:

"Never said it did. People don't choose not to patronize Chic-Fil-A because they are closed on Sunday's, rather because of the whole debacle surrounding the owners ties to the "kill the gays" Ugandan legislation. Most religious people hear a business/owner operates according to "biblical values" and never bother to investigate any further, then ***** at those of us who do and find things like that out."

Never suggested Chick-Fil-A as a corporation was tied, rather the owner. Do, however, read your snopes article and it will explain those ties for you. Chick-Fil-A owner Cathey donates money to WinShape Foundation, which donates money to Exodus International, which is instrumental in crafting Uganda's "kill the gays" legislation.
WinShape Foundation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Exodus International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chick-fil-A same-sex marriage controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marisa, you are repeatedly misrepresenting organizations, and and being dishonest about their intents and motives. Everyone is not out to get you, nor are they out to "kill" homosexuals. For the most part, everyone is just trying to live their own lives according to their own beliefs without being harassed.

I'll just ignore this while I wait for you to familiarize yourself with your own argument.

 

[Katzpur]

So you believe that Mormons should offer temple marriages to both heterosexual and homosexual couples?

it's not the same product Katz...

No, I don't. But temple marriage is a church ordinance, not a business. As I've said before, I believe in the separation of church and state. I believe that the government has no right to interfere in religious practices and that the church has no right to interfere in civil law.

 

[k4c]

Good thing gay people have always been in the minority then, right? I mean such a scenario of all people being gay is so out there, why would one even bother to care about the supposed "consequences?" Not even speculative fiction authors would find that fun to play with.

However, if everyone was homosexual, and that's a ginormous IF, then surrogacy would skyrocket. Propagation might be instinctual, but it's not dependent on any sexual orientation. Sexual acts, maybe. But not sexual orientation. I mean geez, Oscar Wilde is as flaming as they come and the guy had a wife and three kids.
What's interesting is, according to our own propagation techniques, if every human were male then we actually would die off. Strange no one seems up in arms about men being unnatural. And they vastly outnumber gay people to begin with.

Oh and just FYI homosexual behavior exists in nature. Literally nothing can go against nature if it exists in it.

Mankind was created in God's image. He created them as male and female with the ability to reproduce. God tells us this and so does nature. Even a blind man knows this, unless of course he is spiritually blind and in that case how can I blame him for not seeing these things.

 

[averageJOE]

Already answered in some detail. You are an ex aren't you? I will never give you the answers you want. God will answer you soon enough.

Goodbye....that is the opposite of hello BTW.

LOL!!! What makes you think I've ever been apart of the JW's or the Watchtowers organization?

 

[k4c]

Can't really argue against love....
but I would point out.....an unbridled heart is fickle.

God is not fickle.....and does not love all.

God's is love, as well as righteous and holy so godly love is righteous and holy. To violate righteousness and holiness is to pervert godly love. To pervert godly love is a sin and sin will be judge accordingly. This is why God as gone to great lengths to bring all people to repentance because He is not willing that any should eternally perish.

 

[SomeRandom]

Mankind was created in God's image. He created them as male and female with the ability to reproduce. God tells us this and so does nature. Even a blind man knows this, unless of course he is spiritually blind and in that case how can I blame him for not seeing these things.

Might want to inform nature of that.
Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, homosexual behavior is present in all mammals, of which we are a member of. There are many sexual acts that do not render children. All of them can be found in heterosexual pairings. And this is even reflected in nature.
Did you know that same sex parenting occurs in nature as well? Particularly among birds (and especially black swans.)

Gay people do not hinder the survivability of our species. It just sort of exists, like overly flexible people. The species has survived a millennium with them around, I think it's safe to say it's not under any threat suddenly.
Not everything, natural or otherwise relies on having progeny either. Just saying.

 

[Marisa]

Mankind was created in God's image. He created them as male and female with the ability to reproduce. God tells us this and so does nature. Even a blind man knows this, unless of course he is spiritually blind and in that case how can I blame him for not seeing these things.

I have a bone to pick with his design. Why do dolphins get to breathe from a different orifice from which they eat? Dolphins don't have to risk choking but we do? What about putting our pleasure center in the middle of our waste removal center? Whassup with that? I question the deity's mental health if that's his self image.

 

[Marisa]

This is why God as gone to great lengths to bring all people to repentance because He is not willing that any should eternally perish.

Really then?!? I don't wish for anyone to be eternally tortured either, that's the main reason I dont torture people who don't worship me. Actually I don't require worship, either. Nevertheless, if I can figure that much out and I'm just a mortal, what's god's excuse? Learning disability? Lack of empathy? Sociopathy, perhaps?

 

[Thief]

God's is love, as well as righteous and holy so godly love is righteous and holy. To violate righteousness and holiness is to pervert godly love. To pervert godly love is a sin and sin will be judge accordingly. This is why God as gone to great lengths to bring all people to repentance because He is not willing that any should eternally perish.

it is written....fear not anyone who would harm the flesh....
Fear He who is able to rend the soul.

We are assemblies.
We can be dismantled.

 

[Thief]

Really then?!? I don't wish for anyone to be eternally tortured either, that's the main reason I dont torture people who don't worship me. Actually I don't require worship, either. Nevertheless, if I can figure that much out and I'm just a mortal, what's god's excuse? Learning disability? Lack of empathy? Sociopathy, perhaps?

Seeking in us what it takes to be eternal.

If the next life is misery....it is likely the lack of Someone in Charge.
otherwise known as life in chaos.

 

[Marisa]

Seeking in us what it takes to be eternal.

If the next life is misery....it is likely the lack of Someone in Charge.
otherwise known as life in chaos.

More word salad. Why am I not surprised?

 

[dust1n]

Can anyone prepare a defence before the Creator if he comes to demand an accounting?

I can. But what I'm curious of, can the Creator prepare a defense before me if I demand an accounting?

 

[Marisa]

I can. But what I'm curious of, can the Creator prepare a defense before me if I demand an accounting?

Careful. That question got me called arrogant.

 

[Father Heathen]

If everyone turned homosexual the human race would eventually come to an end.

how is this even an arguement? What point is it trying to illustrate? First, people don't "turn" gay. Second, the world's population would never be 100% gay. Third, even if the whole world was gay, people would still breed because they would still desire to have kids.

 

[Father Heathen]

Thief is ninja but God is love and love wins...

God may be love, but god is definitely not the social norms and cultural attitudes of dead goat herders.

 

[viole]

God's is love, as well as righteous and holy so godly love is righteous and holy. To violate righteousness and holiness is to pervert godly love. To pervert godly love is a sin and sin will be judge accordingly. This is why God as gone to great lengths to bring all people to repentance because He is not willing that any should eternally perish.

Have you noticed that if you replace the word "God" in your post with the name of a vicious dictator, you will still have something making sense?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Father Heathen]

I imagine that god would be a being of pure love and pure logic. So if that's the case, then anything devoid of reason and compassion cannot be of god. Therefore most of the bible - including the concept of eternal torment - gets tossed in the toilet.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

That would be lovely, if simply showing up to an event condones the behavior which takes place there. At no time is the photographer asked to approve or disapprove of the couple being married. Indeed, it doesn't seem to violate any religiously held convictions about marriage to service a second wedding, or a third wedding. If one is going to be of an opinion, one appears much more rational and possessive of greater conviction when one is consistent in how that opinion is applied. But I daresay no photographer would ever dream of inquiring as to the number of weddings previously participated in by the bride or groom as the bride or groom.

Jesus said, "If a man compels you to travel with him one mile, travel with him two". If Christians followed this scripture, none of this would be an issue anyway.

And, your points are fair, rational and difficult to rebuttal.

The lines have to be drawn somewhere and it would be wise of the gay lobby and LGBT supporters to give certain concessions.

The cry of the gay lobby was always that "we're not out to make you do something you don't want to do".

Well now, it appears that the gay lobby is doing just that. You will photograph my wedding, or you will pay the consequences.

I do have to disagree here though. What someone does with the merchandise is part of the business: examples

I was going to respond in detail, but I think I can encapsulate to the "points" you brought up.

First, we're talking about boundaries;

Second, we're talking about privacy;

Thirdly, we're talking about rules in place (such as gun control) that are there to make the world a safer place; and two gay people using the goods you sell them to facilitate a gay wedding doesn't place anyone in harm's way.

Let's take a look at how utterly ridiculous the sentiment is that the products you sell must fit within your criteria before selling it with a clean conscience:

Candy: "Now, you're not a pedophile, are you? Are you going to use this to attract some child?
Lotto: "How much have you spent on gambling this week? May I see a financial statement to ensure that you are not endangering your financial future with irresponsible gambling?
Benadryl: Stop the line! How much are you buying? May I see a verifiable list of your most recent transactions? We certainly can't have you going out and using this for drug manufacture.
Ammo: I see that you have passed the background check and that you are lawfully able of purchasing this ammo. But I have a few questions first. Have you taken out a life insurance policy on your wife? Is there anyone you are currently angry at? Now, if I sell you this ammo, how do I know you're going to use it responsibly?
KY: Before I sell you this, I want to make sure you are using this appropriately. Why are you purchasing this: (a) Lubricate your catheter; (b) Lubricate your enema bag's tube; (c) Masturbation; (d) Sexual pleasure? If it's A or B, we're in good shape. If it's C, well, that's against my religious beliefs, so I'm not going to sell you this. If it's D, well, is this person of an opposing gender? Is it only one person? Is this person your lawful spouse? ......
Cakes: Now, I see that you are overweight. Do you have diabetes? Would you provide me a clean bill of health from your primary care physician in order to ascertain that I'm not selling you this cake as a mode of your own self-destruction? After all, if you are irresponsible with this cake and put yourself into a diabetic coma because I sold it to you, I just don't think I could ever live with myself ....

Let's get ridiculous, shall we?