Now they're going after Morgan Freeman.

[Sunstone]

It's the hard truth. The hardest part is getting up the courage to realize it and become proactive and taking steps sooner than later.

Oh cut out the prescientific, Medieval thinking here. You're not a scientist, and you're not even quoting science. You're giving what to any reasonably informed person is an obviously uninformed opinion about why abused partners tend to delay leaving their abusers -- and to top it off, you try to BS everyone by calling your ignorance "The hard truth". Sheesh!

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I prefer more humane, more medically sound ways of castrating rapists, such as repeatedly employing a Louisville slugger in a surgical manner to do the job. But I do share your sentiment here.

Lest we all race to the bottom, it's an unpleasant fact that times and community standards change. I'm pretty confident that any functional adult has known that rape is wrong for at least a hundred years, but there are a lot of huanced and grey areas that we have very different attitudes today about. I know it's not popular, but I can't agree with condemning people based on modern sensibilities when their actions were in line with accepted attitudes at the time.

Not saying that's what's going on in this case, just saying in general.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Oh cut out the prescientific, Medieval thinking here. You're not a scientist, and you're not even quoting science. You're giving what to any reasonably informed person is an obviously uninformed opinion about why abused partners tend to delay leaving their abusers -- and to top it off, you try to BS everyone by calling your ignorance "The hard truth". Sheesh!

I disagree. There's something called the School of Hard Knocks that's been around since mankind graced the Earth.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I disagree. There's something called the School of Hard Knocks that's been around since mankind graced the Earth.

So what's your point? Other people have had a hard time in the past, so people shouldn't complain now?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well isn't it wonderful that everyone has access to the same mental, financial, and social resources your aunt had. It's just that easy.

No she didn't, but she did have her family and children who all grouped together and contributed to household and living expenses. There's also many resources women can use today to escape abusive relationships. Something that wasn't there years ago.

 

[Sunstone]

Lest we all race to the bottom, it's an unpleasant fact that times and community standards change. I'm pretty confident that any functional adult has known that rape is wrong for at least a hundred years, but there are a lot of huanced and grey areas that we have very different attitudes today about. I know it's not popular, but I can't agree with condemning people based on modern sensibilities when their actions were in line with accepted attitudes at the time.

Not saying that's what's going on in this case, just saying in general.

Good points. I did not intend for my post to be taken so seriously, though, but rather to merely express a profound disgust with rapists. I agree that community standards change, but I would also note that I was raised up -- even back in my primitive day -- to see consent as essential to "lawful" sex. Whether the community on the whole believed that or not, I really don't know. But that's how I was raised.

 

[Sunstone]

No she didn't, but she did have her family and children who all grouped together and contributed to household and living expenses. There's also many resources women can use today to escape abusive relationships. Something that wasn't there years ago.

Being financially able to leave an abuser can be the least of someone's worries.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So what's your point? Other people have had a hard time in the past, so people shouldn't complain now?

I'm talking about getting one's courage up in facing their worst fears in their lives and getting through them. Sometimes you just have to get to that "point". That's when things can turn around for the better.

 

[Sunstone]

I disagree. There's something called the School of Hard Knocks that's been around since mankind graced the Earth.

Oh, the school of hard knocks -- just a fancy name for you prejudices, from the sound of it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Being financially able to leave an abuser can be the least of someone's worries.

Yes because you carry it and replay it over and over again in your mind reliving the experience.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Good points. I did not intend for my post to be taken so seriously, though, but rather to merely express a profound disgust with rapists. I agree that community standards change, but I would also note that I was raised up -- even back in my primitive day -- to see consent as essential to "lawful" sex. Whether the community on the whole believed that or not, I really don't know. But that's how I was raised.

Me too. But a lot of this stuff isn't that cut and dry. I hope we'd all agree on the consent for lawful sex thing, but what about anything less than sex? Where's the line between assault and aggressive flirting? And wherever you think it is, I promise it's in a different place to where it was 30 years ago.

Heck, wven in my own life, there are a couple of incidents from way back when that were OK in the context and expectations of the time, but could probably get me in a lot of trouble today. I'd say the same is true for most of my friends, too, and we were all fairly well educated, socially conscious young men. Today? If some teenage boy treated my daughter similarly to how some of us used to treat our contemporary girls? I'd have him up on charges.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No she didn't, but she did have her family and children who all grouped together and contributed to household and living expenses. There's also many resources women can use today to escape abusive relationships. Something that wasn't there years ago.

Read this comment again. See if you can work out where you're being blindingly judgmental.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Oh, the school of hard knocks -- just a fancy name for you prejudices, from the sound of it.

No just something I learned for myself along with a fair amount of other people who had to deal and contend with some tough and terrible things in life.

 

[Sunstone]

Me too. But a lot of this stuff isn't that cut and dry. I hope we'd all agree on the consent for lawful sex thing, but what about anything less than sex? Where's the line between assault and aggressive flirting? And wherever you think it is, I promise it's in a different place to where it was 30 years ago.

Heck, wven in my own life, there are a couple of incidents from way back when that were OK in the context and expectations of the time, but could probably get me in a lot of trouble today. I'd say the same is true for most of my friends, too, and we were all fairly well educated, socially conscious young men. Today? If some teenage boy treated my daughter similarly to how some of us used to treat our contemporary girls? I'd have him up on charges.

Here's an example of something that's changed. It used to be common to hear happily married couples joke about how often the woman "made" the man ask her out before she consented to a first date with him. Bess Truman told quite a story about denying Harry five or more times before she'd allow him to even see her on her own porch, let alone go with him somewhere. Nowadays, a man who persisted in asking a woman out rejection after rejection would be seen by most of us in less than admirable terms.

 

[Yerda]

Jesus f****** Christ!

The man is in his 80s this bull**** has got to stop. If a woman feels sexually harassed and abused I'm of the opinion to accuse or lose once past the statute of limitations.

I'm really looking at this as the start of a cheap money grab at someone who is nothing like Bill Cosby.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainme...organ-freeman-accused-inappropriate-behavior/


Morgan Freeman accused of inappropriate behavior, harassment - CNN

March of The Penguins is going to feel a bit darker now...

 

[Sunstone]

No just something I learned for myself along with a fair amount of other people who had to deal and contend with some tough and terrible things in life.

I see you need this spelled out. The trouble is I'm not the person to go to for that. I have little patience with people who don't get things. And yes, I admit it's a flaw of mine. Yet, this once I'll spell things out.

What you are proposing amounts to this proposition, "Anecdotal evidence trumps statistically sound science." Now that's as much help as I'm going to give you. If you can't figure it out from there, tough nuts, buddy.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I see you need this spelled out. The trouble is I'm not the person to go to for that. I have little patience with people who don't get things. And yes, I admit it's a flaw of mine. Yet, this once I'll spell things out.

What you are proposing amounts to this proposition, "Anecdotal evidence trumps statistically sound science." Now that's as much help as I'm going to give you. If you can't figure it out from there, tough nuts, buddy.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

 

[leibowde84]

Eh, we could argue they are losing their livelihood anyway. I mean all of the #MeToo people are basically "wrecked" on their careers. Anyway, there are allegations who knows if they hold water as of yet. But, it does look like the house of cards is falling off the table.

Why do you think they have "wrecked" their careers by coming forward? Where are you getting that from?

 

[leibowde84]

Yes I feel her pain.

I still don't get your point. Why would making a song take away from anything in this context? Is it just because you don't like the song? Cuz, I'm with you there.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

You can disagree all you like, but science works whether you like it or not.