NYC mayor compulsary imprisonment of those deemed mentally ill begins

[Stevicus]

NYC mayor’s new plan will allow involuntarily hospitalization of mentally ill people

If the state authorities thinks your mentality ill, your essentially going to 'jail'..

Welcome to the People's Republic of NY mental health program.

Wonderful!

I agree with any program which is designed to help mentally ill people, and there may be legitimate instances where involuntary hospitalization is warranted. That seems to be a legal process which can vary from state to state, but it's often referred to as "being committed." That's been a thing for as long as I can remember.

I suppose it's possible it could be abused or that people who are perfectly sane could be thrown into some nightmarish asylum.

 

[SomeRandom]

You don't know the history of mental hospitals. Many were closed during the 1970's with "community treatment" promised. A certain percentage of the homeless today are those who refused treatment and live on the streets.

We've been going back and forth on this for decades.

Wow. I did not know that!!
That’s crazy. Pardon the err pun
Why would you close hospitals? Like we have communal care here too, as far as I’m aware. But that doesn’t seem like a good reason to close actual mental health hospitals either way
Let me guess, it was due to money issues right?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And that results in authorities physically carting off people involuntarily against their will?

May you ought to make better comparisons.

Yeah! You tell them. Do you know how many times that has happened to me?

Okay, I will have to try again on my PC.

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Ahh that's better. Bing search from my tablet would not post.

 

[Lyndon]

no one is going to get locked up without seeing a doctor who will release them if they're not needing it, they also have the right to petition for release by a writ of habeus corpus before a judge

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

NYC mayor’s new plan will allow involuntarily hospitalization of mentally ill people

If the state authorities thinks your mentality ill, your essentially going to 'jail'..

Welcome to the People's Republic of NY mental health program.

Wonderful!

That's how the mentally ill are normally treated everywhere in the US. Talk too much about certain things and anyone can call the cops on you and they'll come and force you to go to the hospital regardless of what you want. Then the psychiatrists act as prison wardens, deciding when or if you get out.

 

[SomeRandom]

That's how the mentally ill are normally treated everywhere in the US. Talk too much about certain things and anyone can call the cops on you and they'll come and force you to go to the hospital regardless of what you want. Then the psychiatrists act as prison wardens, deciding when or if you get out.

Can I ask, and I hope you don’t think me rude, just out of curiosity since I’m not American.
How is the mental health procedures, facilities and actual treatment like for the mentally ill there?
If you don’t mind my asking.

Not going to say my country is necessarily better in that regard. Because I sincerely don’t know.
But the comparison that can be made is still interesting to me

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

"New York City Mayor Eric Adams announced a new plan that will allow police and first responders to involuntarily hospitalize anyone they deem a danger to themselves or others."

I am mentally ill and tried killing myself multiple times. I've been hospitalized dozens of times, sometimes voluntary, other times not. This really isn't any different than what we already have. When I'm on medication that helps suicide, homicide and in general hurting others is the last thing on my mind. I can live a pretty comfortable life and I suspect that if one day I did move to NYC besides being around a lot of people nothing much would change about the quality of life I have now.

If someone feels suicidal it's already a given they are supposed to enter treatment for such. However, if anything, we lack care for all other emergencies, including manic episodes and other issues caused by medication. Once I went to a psych ward and told them to admit me, and they refused because I wasn't suicidal. If I had told them I was, however, they wouldn't have treated me there because due to my condition I cannot be on anti-depressants.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can I ask, and I hope you don’t think me rude, just out of curiosity since I’m not American.
How is the mental health procedures, facilities and actual treatment like for the mentally ill there?
If you don’t mind my asking.

Not going to say my country is necessarily better in that regard. Because I sincerely don’t know.
But the comparison that can be made is still interesting to me

I would have to say that it depends. If one is wealthy or has rich relatives paying one's way it can probably be a very nice experience. If one has been found to be legally insane and dangerous to others the facilities are not that much different than some prisons. Except with better health care.

 

[Sand Dancer]

NYC mayor’s new plan will allow involuntarily hospitalization of mentally ill people

If the state authorities thinks your mentality ill, your essentially going to 'jail'..

Welcome to the People's Republic of NY mental health program.

Wonderful!

Mental facilities are not jail. In FL it's called the Baker Act.

 

[SomeRandom]

I am mentally ill and tried killing myself multiple times. I've been hospitalized dozens of times, sometimes voluntary, other times not. This really isn't any different than what we already have. When I'm on medication that helps suicide, homicide and in general hurting others is the last thing on my mind. I can live a pretty comfortable life and I suspect that if one day I did move to NYC besides being around a lot of people nothing much would change about the quality of life I have now.

If someone feels suicidal it's already a given they are supposed to enter treatment for such. However, if anything, we lack care for all other emergencies, including manic episodes and other issues caused by medication. Once I went to a psych ward and told them to admit me, and they refused because I wasn't suicidal. If I had told them I was, however, they wouldn't have treated me there because due to my condition I cannot be on anti-depressants.

Somewhat unrelated
But sending you some love, mate
We all could use some during these trying times

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

Somewhat unrelated
But sending you some love, mate
We all could use some during these trying times

Aww! You don't have to worry about me. While that psych ward did not admit me, I did eventually find one that would, and as they were changing my medications I began to feel a lot better. I'm still not on an anti-depressant, but they switched my Trileptal to Tegretol and now I feel like a new man!

 

[SomeRandom]

Aww! You don't have to worry about me. While that psych ward did not admit me, I did eventually find one that would, and as they were changing my medications I began to feel a lot better. I'm still not on an anti-depressant, but they switched my Trileptal to Tegretol and now I feel like a new man!

I’m happy for you
But my message was one regardless of your mental status
We Aussies are just kind of like that, I suppose

 

[sun rise]

I am mentally ill and tried killing myself multiple times. I've been hospitalized dozens of times, sometimes voluntary, other times not. This really isn't any different than what we already have. When I'm on medication that helps suicide, homicide and in general hurting others is the last thing on my mind. I can live a pretty comfortable life and I suspect that if one day I did move to NYC besides being around a lot of people nothing much would change about the quality of life I have now.

If someone feels suicidal it's already a given they are supposed to enter treatment for such. However, if anything, we lack care for all other emergencies, including manic episodes and other issues caused by medication. Once I went to a psych ward and told them to admit me, and they refused because I wasn't suicidal. If I had told them I was, however, they wouldn't have treated me there because due to my condition I cannot be on anti-depressants.

Thanks for the personal information. It's very valuable to have.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's how the mentally ill are normally treated everywhere in the US. Talk too much about certain things and anyone can call the cops on you and they'll come and force you to go to the hospital regardless of what you want. Then the psychiatrists act as prison wardens, deciding when or if you get out.

Yep. That's pretty much it.

I've been in those places when I was in hospital security and they are not happy places for a number of folks.

I'm glad when they help people, but not when its now a profile based frisk and cuff to the mental ward for God knows how long an 'evaluation' will take.

I day?

1 month?

1 year?

 

[sun rise]

Why would you close hospitals?

I found this:

Deinstitutionalization as a policy for state hospitals began in the period of the civil rights movement when many groups were being incorporated into mainstream society. Three forces drove the movement of people with severe mental illness from hospitals into the community: the belief that mental hospitals were cruel and inhumane; the hope that new antipsychotic medications offered a cure; and the desire to save money [8]. Deinstitutionalization of People with Mental Illness: Causes and Consequences

 

[Twilight Hue]

I would have to say that it depends. If one is wealthy or has rich relatives paying one's way it can probably be a very nice experience. If one has been found to be legally insane and dangerous to others the facilities are not that much different than some prisons. Except with better health care.

Many have locked doors, buffer zones, plate bullet proof glass, and lots of guards.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This isn't a bad thing. We've needed something like this for a long time.

Some say that. Some don't.

I'd say it all depends on what actually happens to people this point forward.

All I can think of is its back to profiling people all over again. This time it's dragging them off the streets without proper due process as opposed to stop and frisk without due process.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Mental facilities are not jail. In FL it's called the Baker Act.

In New York it's called a violation of people's constitutional rights.

Advocates for Mentally Ill New Yorkers Ask Court to Halt Removal Plan

 

[SomeRandom]

Some say that. Some don't.

I'd say it all depends on what actually happens to people this point forward.

All I can think of is its back to profiling people all over again. This time it's dragging them off the streets without proper due process as opposed to stop and frisk without due process.

I thought your republicans backed said measures (racial profiling.)
I mean they’re the names behind such bills that support or otherwise endorse them, rather famously I might add, but I dunno since I’m not American

 

[Father Heathen]

I dunno. Sacrifice freedom for health and safety, the same deserves neither.

Every decade it just gets more dystopian.

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