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Obama Commutes Chelsea(Bradley) Manning's Sentence
- Thread starter esmith
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Good point. I think the President acted with honest compassion!
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
Motivation. Whistleblowing about important issues and partisan politicking are not equivalent in my opinion. I did feel that what Manning did was inappropriate, considering the reckless way she did it, but I also support shortening the sentence, which was rather out of proportion.
I note that no one has, or will be, charged as a criminal for hacking the DNC emails. Let alone given a life sentence in prison.
esmith
Veteran Member
No treason is considerably more heinous than releasing emails that showed the true nature of a political machine.
Since this did not occur during time of war the punishment should have been life in prison without the possibility of parole vice death
Kind of hard to bring a foreign national before a US court.
At least we can hope that the taxpayers will not have to pay for his operation. Manning can thank Obama for that.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Given it is a medically accepted practice, considered to be of great benefit for the patient, I hope we do end up having to cover it.
esmith
Veteran Member
Under what plan would that be paid for?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Some insurance plans do cover it, but given the evidence it should be covered by all insurance companies.
esmith
Veteran Member
But the taxpayers will not have to cover the entire bill.
However, I do not see a sex change operation as necessary surgery but elective surgery and the taxpayers shouldn't have to cover elective surgery. At least the VA or the military will not have to pay for it
Monk Of Reason
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Good. He should also pardon Snowden.
esmith
Veteran Member
So I have a question.
Why is it that there are those that think Manning and Snowden did a great service in some instances placing people in harms way to the point of a direct threat to their lives, yet have an issue with someone revealing emails about the inner workings of a political organization?
Monk Of Reason
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I don't have any issue with the emails. I disliked Hillary a lot. The only good thing to come out of the election was that she lost. I mean on the flip side it means Trump won which is also a huge negative. The whole meteor just ending life on earth thing didn't pan out so I guess we are stuck with this for now.
I support freedom of information and transparency with the government. Exactly zero people died because of Snowden or Manning. Especially true of Snowden who did a great service to this nation and the world at great expense to himself.
But to answer your question about those that have a problem with Hillary's emails but not Snowden is the same reason why the same people who just a few months ago were saying the election was rigged and that the electoral college system was a disgrace to democracy are screaming "we wont get over it!" despite loosing the popular vote.
Its just pure partisan bias on situations. I'm not a democrat and I haven't said anything against the emails business except in favor of having them released.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Ya, Obama approved of the hack and gave them the go-ahead to release the information
esmith
Veteran Member
Indirectly the Obama did give blanket approval to the idea of releasing information illegal obtained as not a big thing by commuting Manning's sentence. You do realize that the government wanted to charge him with Article 104 of the UCMJ which is equivalent to a civilian charge of treason. Now the same administration has commuted his sentence. What does that message say to anyone, civilian or military who is considering doing the same thing as Manning.Ya, Obama approved of the hack and gave them the go-ahead to release the information
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
I responded to this question, above. What I don't understand is why you think they are the same thing in the first place.
esmith
Veteran Member
very simple to answer.
Were not the actions of Snowden, Manning, and those that hacked into the emails and provided them to Wikileaks done so illegally? If so then legally they all fall within the same area of legality.
It's just that there are those that see that some of those illegal acts as favorable to their ideals while the others were not. Hence if one likes what was done it was good if it wasn't it is bad.
You can't have it both ways though. In other words, if it is an illegal act, it is an illegal act and whether you approved or disapproved of the act the act was still illegal.
Transgenderism/transsexualism isn't an identity disorder, just so you know. That language was removed from the DSM because it's faulty and misleading.
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
That's true. And as I stated, I quite agree that hacking should be illegal. It's the nearly life sentence I have a problem with. Manning already spent more time in jail than anyone ever has for committing a similar crime, whereas no one has or will ever be sentenced for the Podesta leak. So claiming legal precedent is a little weird here. It's also different in that whistleblowing, again according to legal precedent, has long been considered a special category under the law with certain, albeit inconsistently applied, protections. I know of no such precedents for clemency in matters of attempted political sabotage.
You're acting as though Manning is now "getting away scot free" rather than just having her sentence shortened. Even shortened, she's spent longer in jail than anyone ever has for a hacking case save Jeremy Hammond, and her full sentence would have trumped his too. So where is your legal precedent? I honestly think executive branch pressure had a lot to do with the unfair sentencing in the first place, so maybe Obama is trying to atone for some of his own sins in the last reel.
Gender reassignment surgery is "elective" in the same sense that breast reconstruction surgery after a mastectomy is "elective".
Who did Manning put in harm's way?
My biggest issues with the DNC leak are its selective nature (only airing one side's dirty laundry) and its intent (to manipulate the outcome of an election).