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Obama is just an utter disaster for this world

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Obama's not great, but it would be far worse if a Republican was in office. At least I finally got heath insurance under Obama, whereas the GOP would love to take it away from me.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Hey, if you want to be a freedom fighter, go do it. Otherwise, don't expect my generation to fight every proxy battle in regions America contributing in messing up within the last 100 years.
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Hey, if you want to be a freedom fighter, go do it. Otherwise, don't expect my generation to fight every proxy battle in regions America contributing in messing up within the last 100 years.

Hey, I think you are on to something, here. Lets start a draft.....but raise the minimum draft age to 60. Lets draft all the geezers between 60 and 70 years old. We'll send them off to wherever they want to fight, and let them go at it. It will be sort of a cross between Hogan's Hero's and Gilligan's Island.....hey Ginger. :D
 

nilsz

bzzt
There seems to be no shortage of legitimate complaints against Obama's presidency, but in what manner does he support Hamas?

With both Bush and Obama, the president's decisions concerning the Iraq occupation appears to have ignored good advice.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
There seems to be no shortage of legitimate complaints against Obama's presidency, but in what manner does he support Hamas?
He wants to support the so-called "unity" government between the Hamas and Al-Fatah. That is essentially a desire to support a terrorist organization.

With both Bush and Obama, the president's decisions concerning the Iraq occupation appears to have ignored good advice.
And yet, one is seen as brilliant and the other is seen as a dimwit. I'll let you decide which is which.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
He wants to support the so-called "unity" government between the Hamas and Al-Fatah. That is essentially a desire to support a terrorist organization.

Can you supply any evidence for this?
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Hey, if you want to be a freedom fighter, go do it. Otherwise, don't expect my generation to fight every proxy battle in regions America contributing in messing up within the last 100 years.
That's what a lot of people thought.

911 showed us that the US is vulnerable.

We can fight the war in the middle east or we can fight the war within America.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Guys, I don't care whether you like Obama or hate him, but if you think any President is every actually "on vacation" and not running things, you're deluded. Neither Bush and his brush at the ranch nor Obama at the Vineyard nor either of them at Camp David are ever actually not working. They're still making decisions. This has basically always been the case, and is even more so the case with modern telecommunications.

So love him, hate him, whatever but don't be ignorant!
I don't have an issue with a change of scenery.

I do have an issue with the numerous golf vacations that are more than a change of scenery.

It's also a really arrogant sight that he goes and lives it up playing golf at taxpayers's expense (which is a different issue) as the world burns and thousands are massacred.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't have an issue with a change of scenery.

I do have an issue with the numerous golf vacations that are more than a change of scenery.

It's also a really arrogant sight that he goes and lives it up playing golf at taxpayers's expense (which is a different issue) as the world burns and thousands are massacred.

A president is truly never on vacation, and the last time I checked on the stats, Obama racked up not only less than Bush but much less than Reagan over the same period of time in office.

BTW, I used to bring in a retired Secret Service agent into my political science class, and it was very interesting to hear what he had to say even though he didn't guard any U.S. president.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Can you supply any evidence for this?

Anything for you, Metis.

Obama administration to work with Palestinian "unity" government | Reuters

From the article...

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama's administration said on Monday it plans to work with and fund the new Palestinian unity government, and Israel immediately voiced its disappointment with the decision also criticized by some U.S. lawmakers.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas swore in a unity government on Monday in a reconciliation deal with Hamas Islamists, who advocate Israel's destruction.

The United States views Hamas as a "terrorist" organization and the U.S. Congress has imposed restrictions on funding for the Palestinian Authority, which typically runs at $500 million a year, in the event of a unity government.

If something, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck and walks like a duck, we must conclude that a small avian waterfowl may be involved.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That's what a lot of people thought.

911 showed us that the US is vulnerable.

We can fight the war in the middle east or we can fight the war within America.
Or, we could have Western society stop trying to run the place, and let the Middle Eastern people decide their own borders and what to do with their own resources.

Obama's not great, but it would be far worse if a Republican was in office. At least I finally got heath insurance under Obama, whereas the GOP would love to take it away from me.
Yup. The Republican's goal would have had me going even longer with a torn ligament and cartilage in my knee. The federal government stopped enforcing DOMA, and agreed to let states decide their own medical marijuana laws under Obama. There are still many bad things, but there have been far worse presidents in America's history.

Islamic militia group says it has 'secured' US compound in Libya | Fox News#

His recklessnes and idiocy is tearing the world apart.

He is in way over his head.
Actually alot of what we are seeing today can be traced back to the World Wars, Cold War, and the subsequent grabs for power after the end of the Cold War. If anyone is tearing the world asunder, it's been Western society who has been trying to tell everyone else what to do for centuries now.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I dislike Obama, but I recognize that he isn't all bad.
But neither does he rise to the level of a Nixon.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Anything for you, Metis.

Obama administration to work with Palestinian "unity" government | Reuters

From the article...

If something, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck and walks like a duck, we must conclude that a small avian waterfowl may be involved.

OK, thanks for that. The thing that I had a problem with in regards to what you posted dealt with the statement that Obama was aiding Hamas as a terrorist organization, and as I mentioned to CMike, there is no evidence that I've seen of a direct connection to Hamas or that these funds had anything to do with any U.S. support of terrorism. I don't lump humanitarian aid into that category.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I dislike Obama, but I recognize that he isn't all bad.
But neither does he rise to the level of a Nixon.
I think it's odd that Nixon is only remembered for lying, which is something they all do, and hardly anyone acknowledges him as pretty much the last federal-level Republican who was pro-environment and pro-worker.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think it's odd that Nixon is only remembered for lying, which is something they all do, and hardly anyone acknowledges him as pretty much the last federal-level Republican who was pro-environment and pro-worker.

And Nixon wouldn't have even the slightest chance of getting nominated by today's Republican Party.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think it's odd that Nixon is only remembered for lying, which is something they all do, and hardly anyone acknowledges him as pretty much the last federal-level Republican who was pro-environment and pro-worker.
And his civil rights record (legislative as opposed to his personal behavior) was strong.
He ended the draft, & spared Canuckistan from suffering my moving there.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Let see now:
We broke Iraq and ran
We broke Libya and ran
We probably broke Afghanistan and will run (that is if you can break a country basically ruled by tribal leaders).

If those that think they can establish a Western style democracy and ideals in countries that are basically better off with an iron hand dictator that has no expansionist goals (well except for Saddam who had expansionist goal) the world would probably be a little more peaceful. That is except for the religious zealots that only believe that it is their way or death.
The US and the western world should take the stance that if you leave us alone we will leave you alone. However, if you as an country or group threaten us be advised we will react with total and absolute overwhelming military force in a campaign of total annihilation.
 

Monk Of Reason

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
I would prefer he wouldn't be such an utter disaster.

I would prefer that he wouldn't exude weakness which the US' enemies are pouncing on.

I would prefer that Islamic terrorists such as ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaida, not have a free pass to reign because Obama does nothing productive, other than supply taxpayer income to golf courses.

So the president to have done the most damage to Islamic terroist groups, captured the most leaders of Al queda, killed Osama Bin Ladin, used more military force than any recent president during a peacetime....is exuding weakness and needs to man up?

What course of action is it exactly (not result mind you COURSE OF ACTION) do you think he should have done that would have made you change your mind about him?
 
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