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Obama is just an utter disaster for this world

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
BTW, how are your stocks doing?
Probably just fine considering that Obama's fiscal policies have broadened the economic gap. IF you had money and investments you are probably doing good now. Not so good if you did not.

How is it that our unemployment is down to 6.1%
Well, if you ignore huge swaths of the formerly working public that are no longer looking for work, yeah, the picture looks quite encouraging. It's all in how you massage the numbers. Strangely, when the numbers were flat-lining, we were told to not put too much stock in them. Funny how things change once the patient begins to show a very weak pulse.

How does it feel not to have many American soldiers coming home in body-bags because Obama doesn't feel that we should be the world's policeman?
Give it time, Metis. If not America, then who? Russia? China? The U-Fricken-N?

But those who watch the Fox Propaganda Channel will never know the real news.
And for those who do not fixate on Faux Nudes, can see a steaming pile of BS when they see one.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It's easy to make nonsensical generalizations, but much more difficult to offer specific ideas, especially ideas that make at least some sense.

I would be surprised to find many of his critics in this thread capable of offering sensible and specific ideas of what Obama should do.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I would be surprised to find many of his critics in this thread capable of offering sensible and specific ideas of what Obama should do.

I agree. And no doubt they're parroting what they hear on right-wing t.v. and radio as I do monitor them periodically. It's all what is called "destructive criticism", namely complain, complain, complain, without offering any real "constructive criticism".

There have been numerous non-partisan studies that have shown, for example, that those who get most of their news from Fox actually know less real news than those who do not watch any t.v. news at all. So, why do they listen to such sophomoric dribble? Psychologists call it "confirmation bias", namely that they are far less interested in the news than they are to have their overall political views confirmed.

And you see this "dribble" all so often coming out with the use of stereotypes, we/they dichotomies, character assassination, slanting the news stories, and sometimes just out-and-out lying.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Probably just fine considering that Obama's fiscal policies have broadened the economic gap. IF you had money and investments you are probably doing good now. Not so good if you did not.

Agreed. And what is needed which we've talked about before is serious tax reform, but try and get that through Congress. Matter of fact, try and get anything through Congress.

Well, if you ignore huge swaths of the formerly working public that are no longer looking for work, yeah, the picture looks quite encouraging. It's all in how you massage the numbers. Strangely, when the numbers were flat-lining, we were told to not put too much stock in them. Funny how things change once the patient begins to show a very weak pulse.

The recovery has not been uniform for a variety of reasons, and much of this goes back almost four decades ago. This can be at least largely corrected, but see above.

Give it time, Metis. If not America, then who? Russia? China? The U-Fricken-N?

Yes, I'm worried about that too, especially since there are political pressures put on to act "strong". And I believe there's been at least a couple of times when Obama buckled under this political pressure, such as with the surge in Afghanistan.
 

Monk Of Reason

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I would be surprised to find many of his critics in this thread capable of offering sensible and specific ideas of what Obama should do.

To be fair I don't think there are many people here capable of offering sensible and specific ideas of what Obama should do regardless if they are a critic, fan or neutral. Its a complex situation that is litterally across the board from everything having to do with foreign policy, economics and law. He only has a degree in one of those three fields and lacks it in countless others. And I would wager the majority of us here don't have those degree's or credentials either. Doesn't mean we don't have opinions or ideas in general but just giving us a realistic perspective on the matter.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
To be fair I don't think there are many people here capable of offering sensible and specific ideas of what Obama should do regardless if they are a critic, fan or neutral. Its a complex situation that is litterally across the board from everything having to do with foreign policy, economics and law. He only has a degree in one of those three fields and lacks it in countless others. And I would wager the majority of us here don't have those degree's or credentials either. Doesn't mean we don't have opinions or ideas in general but just giving us a realistic perspective on the matter.
I tend to agree. It's a little disingenuous to expect people to have a developed model of foreign policy in areas we are not privy to pertinent details. That doesn't mean we should not criticize an incoherent foreign policy of a sitting president with six years tucked under his belt. The world is in disarray almost anywhere you look and yet Obama thinks it is reasonable to tell folks that things are better than they have ever been. I doubt much of the world would agree with him, but certainly, from the view on the golf course of life, things probably do look peachy.
 

Monk Of Reason

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I tend to agree. It's a little disingenuous to expect people to have a developed model of foreign policy in areas we are not privy to pertinent details. That doesn't mean we should not criticize an incoherent foreign policy of a sitting president with six years tucked under his belt. The world is in disarray almost anywhere you look and yet Obama thinks it is reasonable to tell folks that things are better than they have ever been. I doubt much of the world would agree with him, but certainly, from the view on the golf course of life, things probably do look peachy.

I mean that in both ways though. On the one hand you are right. Things could be better. But the reason why I asked for specific examples (that I knew more than likely people wouldn't be able to bring forward) was to showcase that any criticism we have for Obama or the government in general in these forums are often regurgitated general complains without fully understanding the system or specifics.

I mostly wish for people to bring about more coherent and useful criticism so that we can have a better debate other than "Well Obama is a coward" vs "But he used Drones!". Then we get the blind arguing with the deaf about something neither fully comprehend.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe that what President Obama ought to do is make it a key issue that the reason he hasn't done a lot more fighting is that he believes in the constitutional responsibility Congress has to decide whether the USA enters into warfare, and he should repeat this in his State of the Union speech and reiterate it during the coming presidential elections hoopla.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I tend to agree. It's a little disingenuous to expect people to have a developed model of foreign policy in areas we are not privy to pertinent details. That doesn't mean we should not criticize an incoherent foreign policy of a sitting president with six years tucked under his belt. The world is in disarray almost anywhere you look and yet Obama thinks it is reasonable to tell folks that things are better than they have ever been. I doubt much of the world would agree with him, but certainly, from the view on the golf course of life, things probably do look peachy.

There's an old saying that "if I'm silent, people will think I'm stupid; but if I speak, then they'll know I'm stupid". If one is simply coming here and only offering destructive criticism and not any constructive criticism, then to me they're simply acting as "trolls".

No one expects "experts" only to post here, and I frankly don't think it's likely that any of us qualify anyway, but for some to seemingly always nit-pick in a destructive manner, nothing constructive is being added.

Obama can and has been criticized by many, including myself even though I generally support him on most items, so I'm not saying nor implying that destructive criticism needs to be stifled. But with some it just goes on and on and..., with nothing positive being added.

BTW, his foreign policy actually is quite coherent even if some can't see it. This doesn't imply it's right, but there is a consistent thread that runs through it. Much like Lincoln, who's Obama's historical hero, Obama prefers to operate from consensus when possible. If one actually reads any good biography on Lincoln, this is the same methodology he generally used, only becoming "a leader" when push came to shove, such as when the issue of slavery was tearing the country apart. BTW, Lincoln was not well liked by so many, not only in the other party but even his own.
 
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