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Obama on Trump

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I think this is a fair assessment of what is the appeal behind Trump and doesn't undermine the legimate sources of anger behind people supporting his candidacy for president as part of larger issues to do with the economy and demographic changes. But I find it sad that a sitting president has to admit publicly that his race plays a role in how people are chosing his successor, particuarly as it is almost a given that it is true.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-npr-interview-donald-trump-republican-voters

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"President Barack Obama called out Republican frontrunner Donald Trump on Monday for “taking advantage” of the “anger, frustration and fear” increasingly felt by blue-collar workers over economic hardships and the changing cultural makeup of America.

He acknowledged that his skin color might be a specific cause of anxiety among some voters in the Republican heartland. “Mr Trump is taking advantage of that. That’s what he’s exploiting during the course of his campaign,” he said.

Obama pointed out that questioning his personal origins – which Trump has done loudly in the past – is “something that is actively promoted and may gain traction because of my unique demographic”.

In a wide-ranging interview with National Public Radio, which was recorded before he left for a family Christmas vacation in Hawaii, he also covered the terrorist threat, climate change and affirmative action.

Obama noted that some working-class discontent in the US is “justified” but also that it is “misdirected”.

Obama was asked if he understood why some Americans believe he is “trying to change the country” in some ways that they cannot accept.

He responded: “Are there certain circumstances around being the first African American president that might not have confronted a previous president? Absolutely.”

Obama appeared ready to expand on the point, but was interrupted.

He went on to say it was “not a big stretch” to imagine that those such as Trump “actively promoting” questions about “whether I was born in the United States or not” were gaining support because of his race.

Obama was elected twice with overwhelming support from black, Latino and young voters and majority support from women, men and low-income voters overall, but not from white voters as a racial group.

Meanwhile the US population is steadily becoming less white, and in the interview, Obama spoke of talking to his daughters and their friends and finding them more welcoming of people who are different from them and more sophisticated about different cultures.

“The country is inexorably changing, I believe in all kinds of positive ways,” he said.

But he went on to acknowledge voter anxiety. “When you combine that demographic change with all the economic stresses that people have been going through ... Wages and incomes have been flatlining for some time, and that particularly blue-collar men have had a lot of trouble in this new economy, where they are no longer getting the same bargain that they got when they were going to a factory and able to support their families on a single paycheck ... there is going to be potential anger, frustration and fear,” he said.

Then he singled out the Republican frontrunner, adding: “I think somebody like Mr Trump is taking advantage of that.”

Trump was a leading voice in the so-called “birther” movement in the last presidential election, which repeatedly accused Obama of being foreign-born and a Muslim rather than a Christian.

In this election cycle Trump has stuck to more general anti-immigration and anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Obama said that some anxiety around national identity, relating to demographic and gay equality, were relatively new, while fairness for blacks in the criminal justice system had been an issue “for decades”.

On other topics, Obama said he supported affirmative action to increase diversity on college campuses.

And he said he believes that US efforts to address climate change, especially shifting away from coal power as demanded by the Clean Air Act, and the climate agreement made in Paris earlier this month would survive a Republican presidency. Unsurprisingly, he predicted that the Democrats will win the 2016 election.

And he warned that whichever party puts his successor in the White House, they will still be dealing with the terrorist threat posed by the Islamic State. But general tough talk about “more bombing” coming from the Republican candidates was unfortunate, he said.

“Hopefully by the time I hand over the keys, we’ve made the kind of progress that I’m expecting ... in degrading Isil by then ... But what I would say to my successor is that it is important not just to shoot but to aim.”"
 

Gambit

Well-Known Member
It's called demagoguery. That being said, Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton would be fun to watch.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
....I find it sad that a sitting president has to admit publicly that his race plays a role in how people are chosing his successor
Obama isn't compelled to "admit" (ie, confess with reluctance) anything.
Instead, he is playing cards using the best hand he has.
Now if he were to really admit something, it would be that there is good reason
for many to dislike his presidency, & that the race card is a hollow one.
They all play on fear of something, even Obama, eg, guns, racial tension, terrorism, health care.
It helps him maintain his agendas, eg, the wars, the surveillance state, gun control, ACA.

Far from being the victim, Obama is large & in charge.
Trump is only on the outside looking in.
 

Underhill

Well-Known Member
Obama isn't compelled to "admit" (ie, confess with reluctance) anything.
Instead, he is playing cards using the best hand he has.
Now if he were to really admit something, it would be that there is good reason
for many to dislike his presidency, & that the race card is a hollow one.
They all play on fear of something, even Obama, eg, guns, racial tension, terrorism, health care.
It helps him maintain his agendas, eg, the wars, the surveillance state, gun control, ACA.

Far from being the victim, Obama is large & in charge.
Trump is only on the outside looking in.

Okay, but of all those things you listed as legitimate reasons, aside from the gun debate, do you honestly think a megalomaniac like Trump is going to change them? I can't see him reducing racial tension, I see him exacerbating it. I don't see Trump dealing with terrorism is a measured and reasonable way that may help the problem. I don't see him doing less surveillance.

Of the legitimate reasons I see for people to dislike Obama, I see Trump as being worse at many of them. Most of the Republican field (of those that are in the running anyway) wouldn't be a whole lot better on those issues either.

But guns would be safe. That much republicans will like.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
One thing the Prez failed to mention is that all this "anger, frustration, and fear" happened on his watch; he has yet to own the outcome of his failed policies and decisions. He can run but he can't hide.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Okay, but of all those things you listed as legitimate reasons, aside from the gun debate, do you honestly think a megalomaniac like Trump is going to change them?
Trump......I don't dare predict what he might do.
Could be great.....could be terrible....could be that he just fizzles due to ineffectiveness in politics.
I can't see him reducing racial tension, I see him exacerbating it. I don't see Trump dealing with terrorism is a measured and reasonable way that may help the problem. I don't see him doing less surveillance.
Of the legitimate reasons I see for people to dislike Obama, I see Trump as being worse at many of them. Most of the Republican field (of those that are in the running anyway) wouldn't be a whole lot better on those issues either.
But guns would be safe. That much republicans will like.
Parenthetical aside....
While Obama is too hawkish & big governmentful for me,
I give him credit for not starting new wars, particularly against Iran.
 
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YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I give him credit for not starting new wars, particularly against Iran.
Oh, give it time. Give it time...

Apparently there is a sign on Obama's desk which reads, "The buck stops anywhere but here".
 
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esmith

Veteran Member
blah, blah, blah, blah, the Obama has to blame someone for the problems he is having with the majority of the American public. As I heard one Democrat espousing a view is that it appears that the Obama lives in an ivory tower and he seems to be above the concerns that the American public is expressing.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
blah, blah, blah, blah, the Obama has to blame someone for the problems he is having with the majority of the American public. As I heard one Democrat espousing a view is that it appears that the Obama lives in an ivory tower and he seems to be above the concerns that the American public is expressing.
That is a joke, right? And you voted for that supposedly "compassionate conservative", "W", right? Nuff said.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Obama's remarks about Trump were largely spot on, and no doubt will be received by conservatives with their usual thoughtfulness, maturity, and total lack of knee jerk criticism of the President.
Oddly, my first thought was that after 7 very, very, very long years... this was his response? LOL. If you don't agree with my policies or excuses for policies it is probably because you are a racist? Seriously?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Oddly, my first thought was that after 7 very, very, very long years... this was his response? LOL. If you don't agree with my policies or excuses for policies it is probably because you are a racist? Seriously?

"Probably", Paul? Come now, there's no reason to put words in his mouth.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
"Probably", Paul? Come now, there's no reason to put words in his mouth.
Quite so, Phil. What was I thinking, LOL.

As metis implied, it was a pretty pathetic statement to make. One could easily argue that it was his incompetence that created the void of leadership that the Trumpenator has filled. If I was Hill Hill, I wouldn't be picking out new wallpapers and furnishings just yet.


I'm still intrigued with the idea of the post-presidential Obama. I'm hard pressed to imagine anyone seeking his opinion on... anything. It will be interesting to watch, to be sure.
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Oddly, my first thought was that after 7 very, very, very long years... this was his response? LOL. If you don't agree with my policies or excuses for policies it is probably because you are a racist? Seriously?
Your first thought after what? Did you even read the transcript?
Tom
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
One thing the Prez failed to mention is that all this "anger, frustration, and fear" happened on his watch; he has yet to own the outcome of his failed policies and decisions. He can run but he can't hide.
How is anger over a nearly 50-year trend something that happened on Obama's watch? Since about the 70's wages have stagnated, the middle class has declined, and people have been finding themselves with less job/financial security and less buying power.
Oddly, my first thought was that after 7 very, very, very long years... this was his response? LOL. If you don't agree with my policies or excuses for policies it is probably because you are a racist? Seriously?
That's not what he was discussing. Rather he was commenting on what everybody knows (or should know), and that is that Trump has support from angry middle-class white men. Personally I wouldn't have made comments about Trump, but about his supporters supporting the thing they are angry about, which is a business tycoon who has has his hand in politics and buys politicians, ships jobs overseas, and is a player in corporate-lead politics (albeit a smaller player).
It has to be very frustrating for Republicans knowing that Trump, should he be on the ballot, is essentially going to give all the demographs Obama won - the ones that put him in the White House - back to the Democrat nominee on a silver platter, and the white vote will, again, fail to put them in the White House. I can foresee, again, that long before the votes are counted and all the precincts are closed Republican strategists are going to be going on about how they have to win the Hispanic and women's votes as key votes in the next election.
 
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