Obama on Trump

[Sunstone]

But isn't this still a poster child of Obama's failed leadership? He has had seven years to fix this problem ( including two years of a Democrat controlled Congress) and it has gotten worse. He is reaping exactly what he has sown.

Well, that's the thing: Obama has not been trying to fix the problem. He's beholden to the folks who financed most of his campaigns. The same folks who benefit the most from shipping jobs offshore and from trade agreements unfavorable to the US worker.

 

[Revoltingest]

So what happened to the rest of us?

Clearly, you're too blinded by racist hatred to see how much better off you are.

 

[BSM1]

Clearly, you're too blinded by racist hatred to see how much better off you are.

Thank goodness! I thought I had a point.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Thank goodness! I thought I had a point.

You made your point, but you still haven't elaborated.

 

[Altfish]

According to this poll, Obama is the world's most popular leader...

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/these-are-the-most-and-least-popular-world-leaders--W1TLzml4jl

 

[Revoltingest]

According to this poll, Obama is the world's most popular leader...

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/these-are-the-most-and-least-popular-world-leaders--W1TLzml4jl

I do prefer him to Vlad Putin, Kim Jong Un, & Xi Jinping.

 

[esmith]

Now, I

Failed leadership is when you ignore threats and lie to your nation about them, go on a ghost-hunt of a war, and never admitting to any wrong doing.

Ignore threats and lie to the nation? You mean tha

According to this poll, Obama is the world's most popular leader...

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/these-are-the-most-and-least-popular-world-leaders--W1TLzml4jl

Yeah, because they do not have to put up with him. 52% of the US does not agree
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Now when it comes to foreign policy the Obama is so far in the tank that it appears he has decided to leave the problem to his successor. 64% say he doesn't have a clue what he is doing. Or in this case not doing right.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-foreign-policy

Just wonder how bad the leaders in the countries polled are; must be really in the tank. Tell you what we will trade him for

 

[metis]

In Your opinion

Of course.

It's pretty hard for me to fathom how a reduction in u.e. to half of what it was, a doubling of the stock market, corporate profits being at an all-time high whereas even Europe is still in the relative economic doldrums, an increase in health insurance coverage for 17 million more Americans, a reduction of medical inflation to half of what is was under the previous administration, etc. is somehow perceived as "a failed presidency".

 

[metis]

Ignore threats and lie to the nation? You mean tha

I assume you hold this against Reagan as well, right? And "W" Bush as well, right?

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course.

It's pretty hard for me to fathom how a reduction in u.e. to half of what it was, a doubling of the stock market, corporate profits being at an all-time high whereas even Europe is still in the relative economic doldrums, an increase in health insurance coverage for 17 million more Americans, a reduction of medical inflation to half of what is was under the previous administration, etc. is somehow perceived as "a failed presidency".

I wouldn't put much stock in high flying share prices on Dow Jones signifying a strong economy.
Stock prices rise as the prevailing interest rate falls, independent of economic conditions.
If rates rise, stock prices will fall. This too will say nothing of the economy.
There will be no real loss of productivity.....only a reflection of money seeking a higher return elsewhere.

Note:
The above post was solely to use the pun.

 

[metis]

I wouldn't put much stock in high flying share prices on Dow Jones signifying a strong economy.
Stock prices rise as the prevailing interest rate falls, independent of economic conditions.
If rates rise, stock prices will fall. This too will say nothing of the economy.
There will be no real loss of productivity.....only a reflection of money seeking a higher return elsewhere.

Note:
The above post was solely to use the pun.

The stock market is only one component that gives evidence of a healthier economy, and other factors also indicate that we have recovered fairly well, but not all segments have risen equally.

 

[Revoltingest]

The stock market is only one component that gives evidence of a healthier economy, and other factors also indicate that we have recovered fairly well, but not all segments have risen equally.

Stock market prices signify a couple things...
- Expectations about future performance
- The rate of return of other investments, primarily interest rates
Other segments, eg, unemployment, are more indicative of economic health.
(But even this will change as automation really takes hold. We ain't seen nuthin yet.)

 

[metis]

Stock market prices signify a couple things...
- Expectations about future performance
- The rate of return of other investments, primarily interest rates
Other segments, eg, unemployment, are more indicative of economic health.
(But even this will change as automation really takes hold. We ain't seen nuthin yet.)

Yes, and "economic health" is also based on where we are that is a large part of the optimism/pessimism of where we might be going.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, and "economic health" is also based on where we are that is a large part of the optimism/pessimism of where we might be going.

I'd phrase it differently, but we might agree.

 

[metis]

I'd phrase it differently, but we might agree.

If we agreed, then I'd have to change what I write.

 

[Altfish]

Yeah, because they do not have to put up with him. 52% of the US does not agree
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Now when it comes to foreign policy the Obama is so far in the tank that it appears he has decided to leave the problem to his successor. 64% say he doesn't have a clue what he is doing. Or in this case not doing right.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-foreign-policy

Just wonder how bad the leaders in the countries polled are; must be really in the tank. Tell you what we will trade him for

Who would be your ideal President?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ignore threats and lie to the nation? You mean tha

I mean things like how Reagan helped to flood American streets with cocaine and heroin, funded and supported terrorism and propped up Osama Bin Laden, helped to create the Taliban, armed Iran, and armed the Contra, and how under George "Dubya" Bush the threats of an impeding attack - an attack that was ultimately carried out - went ignored and how he lied to the nation about the risk that Iraq and Sadam posed, and subsequently abused the military by sending people over their to fight and die just to chase after ghosts.

 

[esmith]

Who would be your ideal President?

A combination of Roosevelt, Churchill, Truman, and Regan. However, there are parts of some that I have a problem with. If you mean someone that actually exist; I haven't made my determination on which Republican at this time I would support. Since the one I would have liked to see has dropped out of the race....Gov Rick Perry..

 

[metis]

A combination of Roosevelt, Churchill, Truman, and Regan. However, there are parts of some that I have a problem with. If you mean someone that actually exist; I haven't made my determination on which Republican at this time I would support. Since the one I would have liked to see has dropped out of the race....Gov Rick Perry..

Wait a minute. How in the world can you blame Obama for the same things that Reagan did that were even far worse? Such as the Iran-Contra scandal whereas he even broke the law that he had signed into law? or saying that trees cause the most air pollution. or,... never mind... how could I forget that the Church of Fox has fully deified him.

 

[esmith]

Failed leadership is when you ignore threats and lie to your nation about them, go on a ghost-hunt of a war, and never admitting to any wrong doing.

Ignore threats and lie to the nation? You mean tha

I mean things like how Reagan helped to flood American streets with cocaine and heroin, funded and supported terrorism and propped up Osama Bin Laden, helped to create the Taliban, armed Iran, and armed the Contra, and how under George "Dubya" Bush the threats of an impeding attack - an attack that was ultimately carried out - went ignored and how he lied to the nation about the risk that Iraq and Sadam posed, and subsequently abused the military by sending people over their to fight and die just to chase after ghosts.

Internet went down and when it came back did not realize I had not finished my first thought. In other words got distracted.
To finish my thought. on your post about leadership. The Obama, in his mind, does not see terrorism as a threat to the world and to the US in particular. If you listen to his ramblings he blames cable news for terrorism and actually believes that the American public should not be alarmed. In other words, he isn't worried about it so why should the public be worried about it . He fails to connect with the general public because he is living in an ivory tower and anything beyond "his" agenda in unimportant. To him climate change is our biggest problem. Now at the present time the public, as a whole, is worried more about their safety than climate change. But he either can't see it or doesn't want to see it. After the disastrous implantation of the ACA his "landmark" accomplishment (in his eyes) he has lied to the public. They just don't trust him to take on the demands of foreign policy. Over 60% of the American public thinks he doesn't have a clue what to do.