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Obamacare bailout? Already?

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Im taking a wait and see approach which is why I havent made threads recently over the ACA.

However this one I cannot pass over. If this thing isn't working then let it die off. Bailouts are BS in my opinion.

Hype or is there really plans to bailout ACA?

I noticed a lot of talk about it over the web lately.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm not surprised there's talk of a bailout. Around here, the young are refusing to sign up or
are unable to because of glitches. But they're supposed to be the ones who subsidize the old.
It doesn't look good, but as you say, we'll wait & see.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Im taking a wait and see approach which is why I havent made threads recently over the ACA.

However this one I cannot pass over. If this thing isn't working then let it die off. Bailouts are BS in my opinion.

I agree. If it doesn't work then throw it in the bin. But if it doesn't work then what should the alternative be?


Hype or is there really plans to bailout ACA?

I noticed a lot of talk about it over the web lately.

I haven't heard anything like this...do you have a link?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I agree. If it doesn't work then throw it in the bin. But if it doesn't work then what should the alternative be?




I haven't heard anything like this...do you have a link?

I doubt your a big fan of Krauthammer by his association with Fox, but it's the first source where I heard about it last week.

Charles Krauthammer: Stop the bailout, now - The Washington Post

For balance, heres another source on the Dem side of things (msnbc) downplaying the whole thing while affirming no such bailout exists. Only temporary measures and consumers protections for the first three yeaaccording to the article.

A new anti-ACA talking point emerges | MSNBC


Im just wondering what the truth is about all this.

Krauthammer predicts a bailout will happen sometime this year.

Guess we will find out if its the case or not.

As far as alternatives go it seems only two choices, full single payer or go back to a prior healthcare model used in the past that has at least worked to some extent.

Let's face it. Healthcare is a riddled mess now.
 
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McBell

Unbound
Let's face it. Healthcare is a riddled mess now.

let's face it, health care has been a riddled mess for quite some time.

The ACA was supposed to help straighten the mess out.
Yes the ACA had problems.
However, when you have practically a whole political party going out of their way to keep the health care system a riddled mess...
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
let's face it, health care has been a riddled mess for quite some time.

The ACA was supposed to help straighten the mess out.
Yes the ACA had problems.
However, when you have practically a whole political party going out of their way to keep the health care system a riddled mess...
Let's be fair.
Republicans deserve much blame too.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Let's be fair.
Republicans deserve much blame too.
How you figure Rev? Not a single Republican voted for this cluster truck.

The crap will really hit the fan when the dust settles and we figure out who is in this insurance pool. Rates will have to go up and no one will be able to afford the ACA.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
How you figure Rev? Not a single Republican voted for this cluster truck.
I was joshing Mestemia by waggishly presuming he was blaming Dems.

But I do give credit to Pubs for voting against this nightmare.
#1 son still cannot get insurance after several months of trying, & even paying for his January premium. He's thinking of going back to his old non-subsidized non-Obamacare-approved plan just to have any health insurance at all. (The entire process for that plan took only 3 days.) Perhaps the Obamacare bailout isn't due to the fact that the young won't enroll, but because they can't enroll, eh? This whole affair bespeaks incredible incompetence.....&/or corruption.....
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/cgi-federal-scrutiny-obama-fundraising/2013/10/27/id/533310
 
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Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
You have to question the sanity of the whole plan. For the young to bank roll the old and sick they would have to over pay for their insurance. Youngsters can't even buy a house, make a car payment, and pay all their other bills. The money would have to even exist in the first place for this to work.

With the slowest recovery since the great depression, youngsters begging for 10 bucks an hour and employers reducing working hours to avoid the ACA requirements, you have to ask what financial models the Dem's were using to even have a working plan of success.

With the high deductables, young folks would be better off just putting insurance premiums in a coffee can. If the catostrophic medical bill ever hit them, would having a 60-80 percent policy keep them from bankruptcy anyway? Who among them could pay the remaining 20% of a six figure medical bill?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You have to question the sanity of the whole plan. For the young to bank roll the old and sick they would have to over pay for their insurance. Youngsters can't even buy a house, make a car payment, and pay all their other bills. The money would have to even exist in the first place for this to work.
And yet, if my son actually could enroll, the subsidy he'd get would make his plan slightly
cheaper than his old one. How does this work if everyone subsidizes everyone else?
Mr Ponzi is rolling over in his grave & exclaiming, "Dang! I wish I'd thought of that!".
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I was joshing Mestemia by waggishly presuming he was blaming Dems.

But I do give credit to Pubs for voting against this nightmare.
#1 son still cannot get insurance after several months of trying, & even paying for his January premium. He's thinking of going back to his old non-subsidized non-Obamacare-approved plan just to have any health insurance at all. (The entire process for that plan took only 3 days.) Perhaps the Obamacare bailout isn't due to the fact that the young won't enroll, but because they can't enroll, eh? This whole affair bespeaks incredible incompetence.....&/or corruption.....
Obamacare Website Company Had Ties to Obama Fundraising, Michelle Obama

My wife tried too. We don't even qualify for any free (bacon "0)) either. Apparently her unemployment is considered " working" income so no subsidy as we make "too much". Not..... Go figure. I knew this ship is sinking. Bailout makes it obvious on just how "successful" obamacare is. Let it burn for all i care. Obamacare has caused me nothing but high priced grief.

Dems answer? Let's spend more of other peoples hard earned money and let the grief continue until it needs another bailout. See? Obamacare is working fine.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
But, see, the insurance companies who are now being bankrolled by the public got their millions through a good work ethic, and all the young whiny kids who have it so much easier nowadays just need to stop spending on cell phones and internet use and go start digging holes. They shouldn't be complaining about how tough they have it - we're the best nation in the world with our freedoms! So, stop complaining kiddos. Start digging!

Or wait, I have an even better idea, y'all....let's go start another war with a nation to steal their resources and recruit those young men and women who can't find any other job, pay them a pittance and put them and their young families on a paycheck to where they need government assistance, and tell them to be willing to give up their life defending the Constitution even though the nation isn't under any attack. Then they can have all the free healthcare they want through TRICARE. But we won't call it a single payer system since these folks deserve it more than citizens.

But that's okay. I love the fact that our tax dollars are funding the fat cats of the insurance companies, Big Pharmaceutical companies, and Halliburton, paying off our politicians to continue the loop of their bastardization of the welfare programs set in place, and then send 25% of our veterans on to the street into homelessness and untreated mental illness after being used and abused. Call them heroes - they'll understand and forget about their plight.

Oh, and insurance companies and the White House can kiss my ***. (I'm just full of cynical sarcasm today, aren't I :D)
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
While I fully agree that we should have universal healthcare, Obamacare was not the way to do it. Extending Medicare would have been a good first step. But the OP, if true, doesn't surprise me. Obamacare was a mess from the start (hey, I agree with Rev Rick for once :p ). As far as Obamacare goes, there's no reason to blame the Republicans- I just wish they would come up with their own plan for universal healthcare, and for that, they can be blamed. So it really is both sides' fault.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
You have to question the sanity of the whole plan. For the young to bank roll the old and sick they would have to over pay for their insurance. Youngsters can't even buy a house, make a car payment, and pay all their other bills. The money would have to even exist in the first place for this to work.

With the slowest recovery since the great depression, youngsters begging for 10 bucks an hour and employers reducing working hours to avoid the ACA requirements, you have to ask what financial models the Dem's were using to even have a working plan of success.

With the high deductables, young folks would be better off just putting insurance premiums in a coffee can. If the catostrophic medical bill ever hit them, would having a 60-80 percent policy keep them from bankruptcy anyway? Who among them could pay the remaining 20% of a six figure medical bill?
Umm I am 25 I pay all of bills and many of my moms bill and donate to charity.
 

McBell

Unbound
Let's be fair.
Republicans deserve much blame too.

I never said nor implied that one party was completely innocent.

This is one of the major problems with the ACA.

People are much more interested in pointing fingers and trying to abolish it instead of trying to get the problems ironed out.
 
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