If making concessions where the solution, Israel would have fixed the problem years ago.
On what basis do you say so?
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If making concessions where the solution, Israel would have fixed the problem years ago.
you are absolutely right.
the stands of Israel and the stand of the Palestinians are pretty straigthtforward. there is no point in telling us of the benefits of peace and how we all deserve to live a normal life. no one here looks for visions of peace. we just look for a normal solution. the Israelis arent going to let go of their leverage, the Palestinians are in a bunker. its the case as it has always been.
the middle east is filled with some of the most stiff necked people on earth. no one likes to budge an inch here, because we know that someone else will come and take an extra mile.
I base my opinion on how past concessions have not produced the desired results.On what basis do you say so?
Anti-Israeli? I don't see him backing off on prior support for the state.Hopefully Obama bin Golfin is kidding too. Given the anti-Israeli stance of his regime, sorry, administration I'm not so sure he is kidding.
I am surprised by the American gullibility in their negotiations. either they are giving a lip service to the Arabs, not a very good lip service I might add. or they have no concept of the georaphical disputes in this region and of the opinions of Benjamin Netanyahu, who has never supported the 1967 borders. hell I dont support it. it means that I can go to our balcony right now and see the newly born Palestinian state spread before me.
not very comforting. nor very realistic.
Gawd...it took me a minute to get that one.Don't trip on your sword, dude.
Gawd...it took me a minute to get that one.
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What is more revealing is the Republican's hosting Netanyahu at the joint session whereby he denied the existance of any occupation in the West Bank and GazaObama said:"there was nothing particularly original in my proposal; this basic framework for negotiations has long been the basis for discussions among the parties, including previous US administrations".
He stated that he wouldn't give an inch of Jerusalem, the annexation of the majority of its colonies, and the presence of IDF troops in the Jordan valley (along with the demilitarization of any future Palestine)."in Judea and Samaria [the term Israeli right-wingers use for the West Bank], Israelis are not foreign occupiers" but the native inhabitants. (He cited Abraham and Isaiah from the Bible!)
Obama said:"I and my administration have made the security of Israel a priority. It's why we've increased cooperation between our militaries to unprecedented levels. It's why we're making our most advanced technologies available to our Israeli allies. It's why, despite tough fiscal times, we've increased foreign military financing to record levels. And that includes additional support - beyond regular military aid - for the Iron Dome anti-rocket system."
Ah yes! The new demographic reality of Palestinian dispossession and Israeli colonisation every single day. There is big difference between a Palestine established on '67 borders and "based on" '67 borders. The Palestinians had precisely the right reaction to this speech, it called ******** on this lipservice and vague rhetoric while Obama gave the Israelis the go ahead to continue annexing its colonies. He has gone so far as to legitimise these colonies and put these illegal colonists on par with its forcibly vacated inhabitants.Obama said:"[The statement] means that the parties themselves - Israelis and Palestinians - will negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on June 4, 196... It allows the parties themselves to account for the changes that have taken place over the last forty-four years, including the new demographic reality."
As if it's Israel's legitimacy at hand! These weak pathetic excuses to deflect the reality of Netanyahu blackmailing and hijacking American foreign policyObama said:The United States will stand up against efforts to single Israel out at the UN or in any international forum. Because Israel's legitimacy is not a matter for debate
Despite these tough fiscal times! **** you America Isreal is more important.Obama said:"And it's why, despite tough fiscal times, we've increased foreign military financing to record levels."
You know, for years I have been voting for a left wing party. but they have nothing constructive to offer that I can think of when it comes to the palestinians. the last dramatic offer took place in 2000 by Ehud Barak, and the debates still rage whether it was Arafat's and the Palestinian authority's fault or Ehud Barak's and the Labour's party fault on the failure of the negotiations. one thing is for sure, president Clinton at the time, still holds a serious grudge for a now deceased Arafat and the Palestinians on what he considers turning back on the most virile peace offer in the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.So, what then would a left-wing inspired two state solution look like?
Israel has already gave Gaza strip some years back.The way I understand it is that going back to the pre-1967 borders merely leaves Israel without the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and I am not entirely sure what the problem with that would be. I honestly do not know enough about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as I should, so I am open to any non-nationalist arguments.
I just want my one pound of flesh, angellous.Don't trip on your sword, dude.
I just want my one pound of flesh, angellous.
really that is all I want. and I will be on my way back to Venice.
I base my opinion on how past concessions have not produced the desired results.
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well. wow. some things really refuse to change. you know dantas. it has been 63 years. its time to grow up. discussing Israel existence belongs to the realm of palestinian resistance movements from the 60s and 70s.
Surely the rights and wrongs of creating Israel is a debate for historians not politics? It is here now so we deal with the current problems.
Really. if you are one of those who are killing and dying for the purpose of surgically removing an Israel.People are still killing, dying and talking words of bloody hatred, Caladan. That alone means that it is a current, relevant matter.
People are still killing, dying and talking words of bloody hatred, Caladan. That alone means that it is a current, relevant matter.