Officer Barney Fife mistakes gun for a tazer in shooting a black man. Biden calls for peace.

[Twilight Hue]

The whole thing is just tragic. They left his body to lie there for hours before going to retrieve it.

Not only are we in for another trial, but we are in for more riots and protests.

I hear it's already happening.

Biden calls for 'peace and calm' after Daunte Wright shooting sparks protests in Minnesota

People looking for five finger discounts and free tvs. I'm sure people are being bussed in from out of state to stir trouble again and robbing and destroying places of business because it's what they like to do.

Of course with Democrats in charge now, they regard the looting and destruction as protests and not riots.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think a specific place on the gun belt would help too. Not in proximity by the firearm.

The taser goes on the opposite side of the body than the gun does. A right handed person puts his gun on his right and his taser on the left. And yes, that was the policy of that police department.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The taser goes on the opposite side of the body than the gun does. A right handed person puts his gun on his right and his taser on the left. And yes, that was the policy of that police department.

That would put the intent on the officer.

 

[Ashoka]

I hear it's already happening.

Biden calls for 'peace and calm' after Daunte Wright shooting sparks protests in Minnesota

People looking for five finger discounts and free tvs. I'm sure people are being bussed in from out of state to stir trouble again and robbing and destroying places of business because it's what they like to do.

Of course with Democrats in charge now, they regard the looting and destruction as protests and not riots.

But I understand the anger; I don't want to trail off topic too much, but I understand the anger surrounding racial injustice in America, and how black people are treated by police. It needs to be addressed if we want this to stop.

I don't think destroying property is right; but as Dr. King said, a riot is the language of the unheard. Things can be replaced; people cannot.

Are we listening to black voices? If not, why? Perhaps we can change before it's too late.

 

[Twilight Hue]

But I understand the anger; I don't want to trail off topic too much, but I understand the anger surrounding racial injustice in America, and how black people are treated by police. It needs to be addressed if we want this to stop.

I don't think destroying property is right; but as Dr. King said, a riot is the language of the unheard. Things can be replaced; people cannot.

Are we listening to black voices? If not, why? Perhaps we can change before it's too late.

There's no question about the friction between the police and minorities. Still the bigger issue is over qualified immunity, which makes officers act the way they do. Usually rude and brazen.

If that is banned, like what new Mexico just did, then I think it would pave the way to better interaction and better relations with the community and police.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That would put the intent on the officer.

No, it looks as if she did make an error. People sometimes do stupid things under stress. She had her pistol out but was shouting "Taser, taser, taser!" and then shot him.

 

[Revoltingest]

perhaps not, but requiring police to arrest people on outstanding warrants during traffic stops (as well as during domestic disputes, or whatever other situation stimulates contact with law enforcement) seems to be a cause of a lot of grief that could be avoided. Sure they won't voluntarily go to court--that's why they need to have a social worker (maybe backed by police) show up instead of escalating the situation by trying to arrest them on the warrant.

It's a trade-off of efficiency vs escaltion.
But the latter can be even worse if arresting'm at their home.

My advice to anyone with outstanding warrants....
Take care of them before a traffic stop.
Exception:
In my county (Washtenaw), no worries.
The cops don't care to do their job.

 

[McBell]

I understand that people who have outstanding warrants need to go to court...but why not:

"Here's your ticket for running that stoplight, sir. We noticed that you have an outstanding warrant on a felony charge; please call the court tomorrow to schedule your hearing. Here's their number, and we'll let them know that we had this opportunity to remind you. Have a nice evening, and please drive safer!"

At what point should the person with an outstanding warrant actually be arrested?

 

[Suave]

Wish it was funny like the title, but no doubt the police are still killing with impunity.


Biden calls for peaceful protests after police shooting of Daunte Wright

This is so bizarre that an officer can't tell the difference between a tazer and a gun?

I am considering inventing a zip locked holster for stun-guns,; upon unzipping the holster, a voice alert would be activated' alerting the shooter "taz out!"

 

[McBell]

perhaps not, but requiring police to arrest people on outstanding warrants during traffic stops (as well as during domestic disputes, or whatever other situation stimulates contact with law enforcement) seems to be a cause of a lot of grief that could be avoided. Sure they won't voluntarily go to court--that's why they need to have a social worker (maybe backed by police) show up instead of escalating the situation by trying to arrest them on the warrant.

Again, at what point should they actually be arrested?

If they are avoiding the law, they will likely have to be arrested in order for the warrant to be served.

 

[Subduction Zone]

At what point should the person with an outstanding warrant actually be arrested?

At a traffic stop is usually an appropriate place. Unfortunately this driver resisted arrest. That does not justify pulling a gun out and shooting the person, but accidents can happen.

Very often it does not good for officers to go to listed addresses since they are old or the person may even avoid that address. Arresting offenders at traffic stops happens quite often. If people are willing to break more serious laws they usually have no problem breaking traffic laws. Their own behavior turns them in.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again, at what point should they actually be arrested?

If they are avoiding the law, they will likely have to be arrested in order for the warrant to be served.

Oops, sorry. I see that you were responding to an unjustified excuse.

I probably agree with you that traffic stops are a needed place to arrest people.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

At what point should the person with an outstanding warrant actually be arrested?

at their home? at their place of business? Probably easier if plainclothes officers specially trained in serving warrants, or maybe social workers, are the ones responsible for making the arrest.

On the whole, the policing and court system of the country has created the antagonistic mess we see in the news each day, giving no incentive to those charged with crimes to be cooperative, and no incentive to police and other court officers to try anything other than brute force to bring those charged to court.

We need to try something different: continuing to try the same thing over and over, expecting better results is....

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Again, at what point should they actually be arrested?

If they are avoiding the law, they will likely have to be arrested in order for the warrant to be served.

see response #53

 

[McBell]

at their home? at their place of business? Probably easier if plainclothes officers specially trained in serving warrants, or maybe social workers, are the ones responsible for making the arrest.

On the whole, the policing and court system of the country has created the antagonistic mess we see in the news each day, giving no incentive to those charged with crimes to be cooperative, and no incentive to police and other court officers to try anything other than brute force to bring those charged to court.

We need to try something different: continuing to try the same thing over and over, expecting better results is....

Is it your belief that if police or social workers showed up to his house or place of employment that Daunte Wright would not have tried to resist like he did during the traffic stop?
My experience has been that those fleeing the police are more likely to resist, at least at home.
I have no experience when they are at work.

 

[SomeRandom]

It does seem they are trying to make excuses after the fact. Blame it as a rookie mistake rather than take full responsibility and accountability.

I guess that is for a court to decide.

True

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Is it your belief that if police or social workers showed up to his house or place of employment that Daunte Wright would not have tried to resist like he did during the traffic stop?
My experience has been that those fleeing the police are more likely to resist, at least at home.
I have no experience when they are at work.

I have no idea what he might have done under other circumstances, and hypotheticals are irrelevant. I'm saying that a system that regularly has results such as this has problems.

Clearly, if 'accidents' happen under very similar circumstances in such a system, it's not accidents, it's policy that it's acceptable to use deadly force under any and all circumstances, when it should not be.

Our entire law enforcement and judicial system needs reform, so that 'accidents' like this become a thing of the past.

 

[Thief]

how about training the public to obey a command?

I saw report .....he was told DON'T RUN

and he chose to re-enter his vehicle

and btw.....outstanding warrants were also mentioned

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

how about training the public to obey a command?

I saw report .....he was told DON'T RUN

and he chose to re-enter his vehicle

and btw.....outstanding warrants were also mentioned

yes, misdemeanor warrants

It doesn't matter if he just killed a hundred people with a penknife, the use of force was not justified if he wasn't (and he wasn't) an immediate threat to officers.

Misdemeanor warrants and attempting to flee doesn't justify the escalation and use of deadly force. The system is at fault, and another person is denied due process and is now dead, because the system is set up to have 'accidents' like this on a regular basis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

yes, misdemeanor warrants

It doesn't matter if he just killed a hundred people with a penknife, the use of force was not justified if he wasn't (and he wasn't) an immediate threat to officers.

Misdemeanor warrants and attempting to flee doesn't justify the escalation and use of deadly force. The system is at fault, and another person is denied due process and is now dead, because the system is set up to have 'accidents' like this on a regular basis.

Except it is clear that the officer did not mean to shoot him. She thought that she had drawn her taser. You can hear her shout "taser, taser, taser!" before the shot and then an immediate "Oh ****!" afterwards. A taser would be an appropriate use of force for the situation. Using a gun obviously is not.