"Oh my god, you're SO white."

[ChristineES]

But what about people like me? I am of mixed race- Half Navajo and half European decent. I never knew any Navajos, I didn't really know my father very well and he denied his heritage anyway. My mother is half Italian and half German and Russian Jew. She grew up in a black neighborhood (her words) in Denver as a child. My stepfather is Japanese American and spent time as a child in an interment camp during WWII.
I seem to have no culture- I was raised with no religion. My stepfather was raised Buddhist. My mother as a Catholic (her father was born in Italy). My father was raised as a Catholic, too.
What would you describe me as? White and Myopic? An American Indian? Mixed heritage?

 

[Elessar]

Okay, fine, PureX, ignore me. I guess the black man who doesnt believe in the existence of "white culture" doesnt fit into your perfect little worldview.

 

[Stellify]

PureX... I think others have responded to your post enough that I don't really need to.

I will just say that you contradict yourself quite a lot and come across as extremely narrow-minded and bigoted. Good luck with that.

I think I'm done arguing over myopia until some points are made that are actually realistic.

Stacey:
Takin' a few half-shots for your drinkin' game! And for all of the Venezuelan, myopia-ridden white people out there who have no idea what latino culture re.....wait...something's wrong here...what?!

 

[stacey bo bacey]

The more you learn about a culture, the less you realize you know.

Ah ha! So you just messed up your whole "point" (I put that in quotations because you DIDN'T ever have a point). Minorities, you say, seem to know aaaaaalllllllllllllllll about "white culture" because they're inundated with it.....and now here you say the more that is learned about a culture, the less that is really known about it.

Good job!!!! :clap2: You're done here.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

Stacey:
Takin' a few half-shots for your drinkin' game! And for all of the Venezuelan, myopia-ridden white people out there who have no idea what latino culture re.....wait...something's wrong here...what?!

Woot!!

 

[PureX]

But what about people like me? I am of mixed race- Half Navajo and half European decent. I never knew any Navajos, I didn't really know my father very well and he denied his heritage anyway. My mother is half Italian and half German and Russian Jew. She grew up in a black neighborhood (her words) in Denver as a child. My stepfather is Japanese American and spent time as a child in an interment camp during WWII.
I seem to have no culture- I was raised with no religion. My stepfather was raised Buddhist. My mother as a Catholic (her father was born in Italy). My father was raised as a Catholic, too.
What would you describe me as? White and Myopic? An American Indian? Mixed heritage?

I suspect that your culture is "white". That's the culture in which you live, even though you may be ethnically mixed. I have a good friend who is Navajo, and fairly traditional. I don't presume to know a lot about it, but of what I do know, it's a very rich and warm culture. You may want to spend some time getting to know your Navajo roots. All it would require is to visit a few of their gatherings, and then get to know some of the people. They are happy to pass on cultural information to younger generations.

 

[PureX]

Ah ha! So you just messed up your whole "point" (I put that in quotations because you DIDN'T ever have a point). Minorities, you say, seem to know aaaaaalllllllllllllllll about "white culture" because they're inundated with it.....and now here you say the more that is learned about a culture, the less that is really known about it.

Good job!!!! :clap2: You're done here.

Well, I didn't say that they knew all about it. I only said they knew enough to speak truth to power. But if it makes you so happy to think you "won" something, that's fine with me.

 

[PureX]

I will just say that you contradict yourself quite a lot and come across as extremely narrow-minded and bigoted.

You should have paid more attention to what I actually wrote, and less to what you imagined me to have said.

I think I'm done arguing over myopia until some points are made that are actually realistic.

You mean points that you already agree with. What's the value in that?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Why do you refuse to see this? I just don't get it. This is worse than a creationist.

Look at the facts. Otherwise your willful ignorance will shine brighter than a creationist's.

So in a nutshell, racist bigotry is bad while religious bigotry is OK right?

Since your so superior to creationists, why don't you enlighten us all and tell us what caused the "big bang"?

 

[ChristineES]

I suspect that your culture is "white"

But there is no such thing as a "white" culture. So called "whites" are a diverse group of different ethnic groups such as Jews, Italians, French, English, Irish, Scandinavian, and the list can go on.
That is what everyone else has been trying to tell you. They may even have different faiths (religion is a big part of a culture). You don't have to agree, but I think you owe it to all of us that you understand what we are saying.

 

[PureX]

But there is no such thing as a "white" culture. So called "whites" are a diverse group of different ethnic groups such as Jews, Italians, French, English, Irish, Scandinavian, and the list can go on.
That is what everyone else has been trying to tell you. They may even have different faiths (religion is a big part of a culture). You don't have to agree, but I think you owe it to all of us that you understand what we are saying.

And yet, we only a few years ago had 'white only' signs all over the United States. What GENERAL group of people do you think those signs were referring to? And why do you think it was so important that the people who put those signs up used skin color as their delineation.

To claim there is no "white culture" is just silly. I agree that white culture in the United States is made up of a number of other cultural influences, but it's the "whiteness" that dominated the criteria, and still does.

 

[Elessar]

And yet, we only a few years ago had 'white only' signs all over the United States. What GENERAL group of people do you think those signs were referring to? And why do you think it was so important that the people who put those signs up used skin color as their delineation.

To claim there is no "white culture" is just silly. I agree that white culture in the United States is made up of a number of other cultural influences, but it's the "whiteness" that dominated the criteria, and still does.

Easy, it referred to Anglo-Saxons, Celts and Gallicans. Those were the only people considered "white" by the southern states' laws. Italians, Slavs, Germans, Scandinavians, Iberians, Iranians, and Jews, all considered "white" in the north, need not apply (maybe an exception, here or there, but not really).

There is no "white culture". It is a generalization invented by white racists in the early twentieth century to separate "us" from "them", and then perpetuated by racists into today to separate the same. There is no American culture. There is no white American culture. There is German-American culture. There is Anglo-Saxon-American culture. There is Jewish-American culture. There is Italian-American culture. There is Slavic-American culture. Some theoretical "culture" from a mix of these is portrayed on television and in the media, but it doesn't exist in the real world.

 

[ChristineES]

And yet, we only a few years ago had 'white only' signs all over the United States. What GENERAL group of people do you think those signs were referring to? And why do you think it was so important that the people who put those signs up used skin color as their delineation.

No one sees me as white. I look Mexican to some, Native American to others, and there are a very few that see me as European (because I am light skinned).

If "white" are for people of European decent- then what about Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese, and so on- are they "white"? Do the KKK see them as "white"? The KKK has burned crosses on Jewish people's houses as much as African Americans or even more. If not all People of European decent are white, then what are they? What would their culture be?

 

[PureX]

No one sees me as white. I look Mexican to some, Native American to others, and there are a very few that see me as European (because I am light skinned).

If "white" are for people of European decent- then what about Greeks, Spanish, Portuguese, and so on- are they "white"? Do the KKK see them as "white"? The KKK has burned crosses on Jewish people's houses as much as African Americans or even more. If not all People of European decent are white, then what are they? What would their culture be?

Your culture is not defined by your skin color. It's defined by how you live. "White" is just a general term used to refer to light skinned people of mostly European decent who now create and dominate the culture of the United States. What group other people put you in will differ according to their prejudice if you aren't clearly in one group or another".

 

[stacey bo bacey]

Well, I didn't say that they knew all about it. I only said they knew enough to speak truth to power. But if it makes you so happy to think you "won" something, that's fine with me.

My point still stands. How can they know "enough to speak truth to power" yet "the more they learn, the less they realize they know?"

:tsk: You're getting sloppier here. And your other "arguments" were nothing but complete garbage as well. Why don't you just run along? Stop wasting thread space with your racist views.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

So in a nutshell, racist bigotry is bad while religious bigotry is OK right?

Since your so superior to creationists, why don't you enlighten us all and tell us what caused the "big bang"?

Uh no. You wanna know that, start a thread about it.

 

[Father Heathen]

So sweeping generalizations and stereotypes are only bigotry when directed at a minority, but a "cultural reality" when directed at a majority?

Often, that's true. Yes.

So you struggle to grasp how that's blatant two-faced hypocrisy, not to mention a logical fallacy? Are you honestly saying that innocent people deserved to be insulted and attacked due to some perceived sense of injustice that they themselves had nothing to do with? Anyone who would judge someone else solely by their race isn't fit to lick my boots, and neither are those who would defend their behavior. If you have some pent up resentment towards an entire race, you really need to get over yourself. Also you would have to be pretty dim to not know the difference between race and culture. I don't owe anyone ****, I have nothing to feel guilty or ashamed about, and I'll be damned if I'll tolerate being harassed and disrespected merely due to my skin color. "Majority" vs. "minority" is irrelevant and never justifies prejudice or any sort of injustice. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc. You can continue to grasp at straws in futile desperation to defend your feeble views, or save yourself the embarrassment and just stop.

 

[Father Heathen]

So in a nutshell, racist bigotry is bad while religious bigotry is OK right?

Since your so superior to creationists, why don't you enlighten us all and tell us what caused the "big bang"?

There is a rather huge difference there. You can't really compare things you have no choice or control over, such as genetics and sexuality, to something you can choose and have control over, such as beliefs and actions.

 

[Father Heathen]

But why should someone be insulted just because he is in the cultural majority? Does being in the majority make someone less human? Does being in the cultural majority necessarily make someone myopic? Isn't generalizing just as bad done to the majority than to the minority?

I guess some people believe that if you're part of "the majority" (apparently culture is determined solely by race and individuality means nothing), then you're guilty by association for all of the perceived ills in the world even if you had nothing to do with it personally, and deserve to have your cracker *** dragged into a back alley and beaten.

 

[Magic Man]

It's called a paradox. And grown ups understand that behind what most simpletons call "the truth" what we really will find is paradox. The more you learn about a culture, the less you realize you know. Yet it's realizing your own ignorance that will finally open you up to really being able to interact with people from other cultures. This is the paradox.

And by "grown ups" you mean you, right? Thanks for calling me a simpleton, too.

I just don't know how to express what's wrong with this thought process by you. A culture is not like the universe. There are certain cultural practices and beliefs. You can learn them, and thereby understand the culture. By your logic, I could never understand "white culture" either.

What about the concept of generalizing don't you understand? Generally speaking, white people are culturally myopic because they are living in an overwhelming cultural majority (here in the U.S.). This says nothing about "all" white people. This says nothing about it being impossible for a white person not to be myopic. This says nothing about ANY SPECIFIC PERSON, period. It's a generality. It's speaking in general terms, and is positing a general observation/conclusion.
This is simply wrong. I am implying through my generalizations that MOST white people are culturally myopic. Not that all of them are.

It seems that it's you who doesn't understand the concept of generalizing. It's one thing to say that most white people are culturally myopic. It's another to say that white people are culturally myopic. You have been advocating that latter, not the former. You have also been advocating the idea that it's OK to say "You're so white" meaning "You're so culturally myopic". By advocating that, you're saying it's ok to make judgements about people solely based on their skin color. That's saying that whether or not you think all white people are culturally myopic, it's ok by you to judge them as such. And that's wrong.

You should have paid more attention to what I actually wrote, and less to what you imagined me to have said.

Maybe you should pay more attention to what you write, since you're the only one who seems to see it as you do. We can only guess at your meaning from what you wrote, and since several people here have guessed the same thing, you might want to admit that maybe you wrote it wrong.

So in a nutshell, racist bigotry is bad while religious bigotry is OK right?

Are you just trying to pick a fight here? That has nothing to do with what I said. What I said was he was being extremely blind to obvious information, just like creationists are. Creationists refuse to accept evolution despite the overwhelming evidence for it because it doesn't fit their worldview. PureX refuses to accept how the phrase "You're so white" is actually used by most people despite the vastly overwhelming evidence against him because it doesn't fit the way he wants the world to be.

So, in a nutshell, I was making no commentary on racist bigotry or religious bigotry at all.

Since your so superior to creationists, why don't you enlighten us all and tell us what caused the "big bang"?

I am only superior to creationists in one way, and that is that, at least when it comes to things like evolution, I don't let my bias cloud my vision.

I don't know what caused the big bang, but that is completely irrelevant to this discussion. If you have anything further to add, please make it relevant and not just a twisting of my words to suit your needs.