Like I said in the OP, it does not matter what the peasants want, this matter will be decided for them by their betters.
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Ohio Republicans plan to disregard voters.
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We can always hope that the peasants (sometimes referred to as voters) will eventually have a say. Ohio is way up north, quite close to Canuckistan, actually, and prime candidate for a switch from red to blue. They've quite enough urban areas to manage that, and it's well-known that they've pretty much always been a swing state. Even more importantly, they're also known as a bell-wether state -- and if the Republicans **** the voters off enough, that bell-wether status might be most welcome to the Democrats.
I've lived long enough to know that voters (I"m one) sometimes get really tired of being taken for granted, and make their own determination. It's often quite fun, watching the surprise of the party that got slapped by a miffed electorate.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What about forcing people to go against their conscious and religious beliefs?
Ie: Catholic hospitals and staff.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
More like forcing people to perform abortions when they don't want to.
Examples of this?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Trump administration.....
US hospital 'forced' Catholic nurse to assist with abortion
The Trump administration says the Catholic nurse objected on religious grounds but was ignored.
Biden Trying to Force Catholic Hospitals, Doctors to Commit Abortions
It has been widely reported that Joe Biden is looking to destroy religious liberty safeguards that President Donald Trump set up during his administration, this includes keeping Catholics and Christians from having to commit abortions. Bill Donohue writes in Life News: News of Biden’s latest war...
prolifeupdate.com
This appears to be the hospital forcingUS hospital 'forced' Catholic nurse to assist with abortion
The Trump administration says the Catholic nurse objected on religious grounds but was ignored.www.bbc.com
the nurse to do the task, not government.
Government only requires non-discrimination
by the hospital.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Added on additional info.
One during Trump administration
Other Biden administration.
I see the issue of bodily integrity as irrelevant to the issue. Abortion, as a moral or religious issue strikes me more as a crime against the fœtus than a violation of the mother's rights.
There are already laws prohibiting murder, and parents already have legal obligations to their children. The new anti-abortion legislation is simply an extension of existing law to include the fœtus; conceived as a person, or at least sanctified by God.
My objection to the right-to-life legislation rests on the non-personhood of the fœtus; it's lack of features entitling it to a claim of moral consideration.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Why can't they help the poor, sick and marginalized instead of sticking their noses in where they're not wanted?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Washington state too, if that is not your state, it is then just: Washington State.
Home sweet home.
That's the employer, not the government.Trump administration.....
US hospital 'forced' Catholic nurse to assist with abortion
The Trump administration says the Catholic nurse objected on religious grounds but was ignored.
Nope. That was about providing health care insurance coverage for birth control, not abortion.Biden administration.. .
Biden Trying to Force Catholic Hospitals, Doctors to Commit Abortions
It has been widely reported that Joe Biden is looking to destroy religious liberty safeguards that President Donald Trump set up during his administration, this includes keeping Catholics and Christians from having to commit abortions. Bill Donohue writes in Life News: News of Biden’s latest war...
SF nuns say they are caught in the crossfire over a battle over birth control
BATTLE OVER BIRTH CONTROL: Seven nuns from the Little Sisters of the Poor listened in court as attorneys argued over whether the nuns should have to pay for contraceptive coverage as part of their health care benefits.
Example? Half the hospital beds here in Washington state are in Catholic hospitals. I haven't heard of any of them being forced to provide abortions, and the right to an abortion is written into our state constitution.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The first one wasn't.That's the employer, not the government.
Nope. That was about providing health care insurance coverage for birth control, not abortion.
SF nuns say they are caught in the crossfire over a battle over birth control
BATTLE OVER BIRTH CONTROL: Seven nuns from the Little Sisters of the Poor listened in court as attorneys argued over whether the nuns should have to pay for contraceptive coverage as part of their health care benefits.abc7news.com
The second one does.
Both have to do with the right for a person to object and opt out based on that person's sense of conviction.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The Biden link that seeks to force people against their religious position. At present they're not forced but in the future it appears if Biden gets his way, that will become another issue.
If you can't provide health insurance that meets government standards, then get out of the health insurance business. Part of the government's business is to protect consumers from sub-standard insurance.
Providing health insurance is not the same as being forced to perform abortions. Does your insurance broker perform abortions, or do they sell insurance? Should your insurance broker have control over your personal healthcare decisions? Nope. The insurance broker should be concerned with the actual healthcare insurance product, not which procedures the patients will access.
If you have health insurance that provides contraception, the insurance is not forcing you to use contraception. If your health insurance provides abortion care, it can't force you to get an abortion any more than it could force you to get any other medical procedure.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What makes you think that those organizations would be forced to do abortions? Once again, abortions are a specialty. That abortions are legal is part of my states constitution. Catholic hospitals are not forced to offer abortions.
Let's go ahead and look at this from the other side. Catholic hospitals will perform abortions when the patient's life is in danger, such as in the case of an ectopic pregnancy or severe trauma (from something like a car accident) where the placenta has detached, resulting in severe hemorrhaging. They are health care professionals, and know when this is necessary. Do you want the state interfering in this medical discernment with the threat of jail and/or lawsuits for saving the patient's life? That's what is happening in states with severe abortion bans. Politicians are not healthcare professionals, and are not really qualified to make that decision sight unseen. The doctors are not lawyers, and should not have to lawyer up in order to save someone's life.
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
In this case, I don't think the the Ohio legislature has much choice. The voters voted to adopt a poorly written amendment on abortion.
The legislature is now obligated to see this through to the best of their ability. They are amending their constitution. Hopefully, Ohio didn't screw themselves over too hard.