Ok, I've had it with OWS

[Jeremy Mason]

Stop bickering about the four cooperations of media that separate good thinking people like all of us. Teaparty and Occupy Movements have more in common than the real arse-holes that are hurting US!

 

[YmirGF]

Stop bickering about the four cooperations of media that separate good thinking people like all of us. Teaparty and Occupy Movements have more in common than the real arse-holes that are hurting US!

Oh, I really don't think they have all that much in common, no matter how much people want to pretend otherwise.

 

[work in progress]

I haven't had much time to post and follow comments over the last couple of weeks, and I forgot about this important issue which the OWS brought to light on Dec.15th when they tried to occupy an vacant piece of property next to Trinity Church...which we are told, is one block away from Zucotti Park:

Trinity Church, also known as Trinity Wall Street, which is said to be one of the largest landowners in Manhattan with reportedly over $10 billion in real estate holdings, has been supportive of OWS in the past by allowing protesters to enter the church for rest, counseling and to use the restrooms. However, the church is drawing the line at allowing usage of a plot of land approximately one mile north of the sanctuary.
NYC Protesters Pressure Trinity Wall Street Church to Let Them 'Occupy', Christian News
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Now, Trinity declared that their refusal to allow the group to use the land was for health and safety reasons. But, as Laura Flanders wrote in CounterPunch , after the confrontation with police and arrest of 50 demonstrators, many New Yorkers discovered for the first time, that this historic church is in reality, one of the biggest real estate owners in the City....and much of it is tax exempt from property taxes because of that concession which makes church properties exempt from property taxes. Some of the business dealings done by this Episcopal church over the centuries which made them extremely wealthy players in New York are also mentioned, and get a load of the who's who of important New York fat cats listed below, who help guide Trinity's policies. They have not only brought the money lenders into the Temple, they are the money lenders! No mistaking who's side they are on, and one more example of how an elite class of people will seek control of all of the institutions of power in a society.

[SIZE=-1]I’d say it’s a perfect target. First there are the big basic questions about churches and the state. Why, in economic bad times, or even in good, does the supposedly secular US state subsidize superstition at all, and why despite decades of explicit segregation and criminal abuse – are all tax payers without discrimination forced to subsidize institutions that discriminate?
Then there are the Trinity-specific questions: deeded a good chunk of lower Manhattan, from about Christopher St to Wall St, by Queen Anne of England in 1705, Trinity Church has become the front for a massive for-profit landlord. Trinity says its real estate profits (on which it reportedly pays taxes) go to support its charitable missions like soup kitchens and homeless shelters and so on. But let’s face facts: whether we’re talking soup or space, Trinity lends a little to those who need a lot (pun intended.) In this they’re emblematic of a world of liberal institutions, (think of your favorite non-profit/foundation.)
They even drag artists into it. Will there be affordable rents for non-affluent artists in their new high-rise? I’d bet not, but meanwhile, the dismal, dry Duarte space has been lent the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council for “cultural projects.” Yet when Occupy Art NYC, a group that includes Laurie Anderson, an LMCC member, petitioned Trinity for permission to fill the Duarte space with occupy-related art – they received no answer.
Where does Trinity stand on changing the systems that set so many up to need soup?
One hundred years, JP Morgan was reportedly a parishoner and helped encourage the Church’s investments in lower east side slum property. Take a look at Trinity’s vestry today (the governing board that manages the parish’s affairs) and you find a veritable who’s-who of the city’s one percent. Conveniently leaked to #OWS, Trinity’s board includes Wall Street bankers, media and real estate executives, and a former executive vice president of Brookfield Properties, the company that owns Zuccotti Park and pressured the city to evict the occupiers in the first place. (See the full list here – PDF).
As OWS put it, “Importantly, in the Episcopal polity, the parish vestry has full legal control over property — which is a big deal for a church that reportedly has $10 billion in real estate assets. It also means that this small group of people (many of whom are not members of Trinity) are making the final decision about whether to open Duarte Square.”
Even more importantly, the Trinity vestry list is a clear example of the interlocking boards that bind do-gooders to those who do bad, and exactly the kind of information Occupy’s made public when many would rather keep hush. Keep at it.

Wendy Boyce 
Manager, Retirement Plans, AIG, Inc.
Porter Fleming
 Partner, Frommer, Lawrence & Haug LLP
Thomas Flexner
Global Head of Real Estate, Citigroup
Stefan Ford
 General Counsel, Energy Intelligence Group
Dr. Michael Gilligan
 President, Henry Luce Foundation
Lawrence Graham 
Executive Vice President (Retired), Brookfield Office Properties
Joseph Hakim
 Chairman of the Board of Directors, Park Agency, Inc.
Chester Johnson
 Chairman (Retired), Government Finance Associates, Inc.
Leah Johnson
 Founder and CEO, LCJ Solutions
Lorraine LaHuta
 Vice President for Development and Communications, The New York Academy of Medicine
Andrew Lynn
 Director of Planning and Regional Development, Port Authority of NY and NJ
Dr. Westina Matthews Shatteen
 Managing Director (Retired), Merrill Lynch
Andrew McMaster
 Deloitte LLP
Christopher McCrudden
 Vice President (Retired), Princeton University
Jon Meacham
 Executive Editor, Random House
Peter Ng
 Partnership Officer for Asia and the Pacific
The Episcopal Church Center
Jean Phifer 
Associate, Thomas Phifer and Partners
Dennis Sullivan
 President and CEO, Church Pension Fund
Betty Whelchel
 General Counsel-CIB Americas, BNP Paribas
Mary White, MD 
Medical Director, Weill Cornell clinic for Human Rights, Weill Cornell Medical College
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[Rakhel]

so now land owners can't be members of a church board/committee?

 

[HiddenDjinn]

From a local perspective, as opposed to a Canadian socialist perspective, OWS has become ANYUTPYITHAYSTC*. If there exists a city willing to foster their attitudes and deal with their disrespect, please come take them out from underfoot.



*Annoy New Yorkers Until They Punch You In The Head And You Sue The City

 

[work in progress]

From a local perspective, as opposed to a Canadian socialist perspective, OWS has become ANYUTPYITHAYSTC*. If there exists a city willing to foster their attitudes and deal with their disrespect, please come take them out from underfoot.



*Annoy New Yorkers Until They Punch You In The Head And You Sue The City

Proximity is no guide to correctness. I don't know if Laura Flanders is a New Yorker or not, but I'll take her views over the toxic ones you express about those who are not in your social class.

 

[Rakhel]

"Social class?" and exactly which "social class" is he or even I, being his wife, a part of?

 

[Mathematician]

From a local perspective, as opposed to a Canadian socialist perspective, OWS has become ANYUTPYITHAYSTC*. If there exists a city willing to foster their attitudes and deal with their disrespect, please come take them out from underfoot.



*Annoy New Yorkers Until They Punch You In The Head And You Sue The City

Most Americans are socialists, whether they know it or not.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

Most Americans are socialists, whether they know it or not.

What does that have to do with the fact that these people have alienated those they claim to represent in this city?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Occupy Oakland, which side went to far?

Occupy Oakland: Move In Day

On Friday January 28th Occupy Oakland held an event called Move In Day. The original plan was to march to a building, who's locale was never published, and occupy it. However their plans were thwarted by heavy police presence, so they regrouped at Frank Ogawa plaza aka Oscar Grant plaza. After several "mic checks" plans were once again made, so they took to the streets. Marching through Oakland the protesters were always followed by the police until Oakland PD made the decision to trap them on a street and arrest as many of them as possible. At least 150 were then arrested. I narrowly escaped arrest because the employee's of the local YMCA allowed us to enter the building and escape through the back door. Occupy Oaklanders were constantly followed by the police. Teargas, smoke bombs and flash bangs were set-off constantly. At least 200 Occupy Oaklanders managed to escape the arrest pen, and they once again regrouped at Frank Ogawa plaza. But instantly they all realized the doors to Oakland City Hall were left open. So they entered it, and it got messed up bad. There was no security at the doors of City Hall. An American flag was set on fire in front of Oakland City Hall. There had been several injuries during the actions, and at least 300 total have been arrested. Oakland City officials are going on the record stating the protests are hurting them financially. And the 99'ers say FIX THE ECONOMY, and HELP THE POOR. More actions are planned.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

Remember that house that OWS took over in East New York? They've been tossed from it with the owner(not the bank, yet) vowing to get them arrested if they dare show their faces on the property again.
OWS stragglers start moving out of Brooklyn row house they took over last month - NYPOST.com

 

[Rakhel]

Councilman’s about-face vs. Occupy Wall Street - NYPOST.com

Pastor Of UWS Church Gives OWS 2 Weeks To Leave After Theft: Gothamist

I don't know. you tell me

(I'd post a portion of both articles but my head is starting to hurt)

 

[work in progress]

It doesn't matter "which side went too far" in the long run. The Occupy protests are a result of a lot of younger people's frustrations with a system that leaves nothing for them, and the brutal suppression of peaceful demonstrations so far will inevitably lead many who are being put down to react violently. I don't know if this is what the authorities are intending as an excuse for more intrusive surveillance, the building of more and more prisons etc., but when demonstrations and occupations are put down, and there is no sign of other methods for reform, expect riots to follow.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

It doesn't matter "which side went too far" in the long run. The Occupy protests are a result of a lot of younger people's frustrations with a system that leaves nothing for them, and the brutal suppression of peaceful demonstrations so far will inevitably lead many who are being put down to react violently. I don't know if this is what the authorities are intending as an excuse for more intrusive surveillance, the building of more and more prisons etc., but when demonstrations and occupations are put down, and there is no sign of other methods for reform, expect riots to follow.

Yes, the Grand Cabal is after YOU
(hands off tin foil hat)

 

[YmirGF]

It doesn't matter "which side went too far" in the long run. The Occupy protests are a result of a lot of younger people's frustrations with a system that leaves nothing for them, and the brutal suppression of peaceful demonstrations so far will inevitably lead many who are being put down to react violently. I don't know if this is what the authorities are intending as an excuse for more intrusive surveillance, the building of more and more prisons etc., but when demonstrations and occupations are put down, and there is no sign of other methods for reform, expect riots to follow.

No doubt they will be escorted to the FEMA death camps.

 

[Rakhel]

Hipster flips in court, winds up in cuffs

By WILLIAM J. GORTA

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/...lips_in_court_winds_up_43dMYmyTmgwzaiukVqhqiM

A high-strung hipster, “stressed” by the indignity of having to wait for the arraignment of his Occupy Wall Street buddies, flipped out in Brooklyn Criminal Court today and wound up in handcuffs himself.
After the last of his pals was arraigned before Judge Charles Troia, Cosmo Bjorkenhiem erupted.
”This court is obscene!” he bellowed as he flung open the courtroom door and stomped out.
”This is contempt and I won’t allow it,” said Troia as court officers cuffed Bjorkenheim in the hallway over the objections of his protest-happy posse.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/...winds_up_43dMYmyTmgwzaiukVqhqiM#ixzz1kznCIoR0

Does he expect special treatment because he's an OWSer?

 

[YmirGF]

Does he expect special treatment because he's an OWSer?

My guess is this is what you get when you raised kids without guidelines about what is and what is not acceptable behavior.

I wonder if this is the kind of tolerance we can expect when his crew is running the show. (There's a happy thought, eh?) *shiver*

 

[Rakhel]

My guess is this is what you get when you raised kids without guidelines about what is and what is not acceptable behavior.

I wonder if this is the kind of tolerance we can expect when his crew is running the show. (There's a happy thought, eh?) *shiver*

Not too sure I'll be able to sleep tonight, now.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Does he expect special treatment because he's an OWSer?

As someone who is pro-OWS, I hope he doesn't.

 

[Kathryn]

My guess is this is what you get when you raised kids without guidelines about what is and what is not acceptable behavior.

I wonder if this is the kind of tolerance we can expect when his crew is running the show. (There's a happy thought, eh?) *shiver*

Oh my - true dat. You hit the nail on the head.

Back to Jeremy's question:

The city of Oakland is a hotbed of violence and known for it's destructive protests and street riots. A strong police presence is a "necessary evil" in Oakland. The people of that city have brought that upon themselves.