Ok people, listen up!

[Adramelek]

It has been suggested by some on another thread, now deleated, that the ToS "trolls for converts" nor does it consider itself in competition with any other LHP group. Those who believe this are completely illadvised. The Temple of Set has no desire nor any need to "convert" people. Those who are Elect of the Black Flame of Set will Seek and find their way into the venerable halls of the Dark Lord's true Fane on Earth. The ToS is an Initiatory School of the Black Arts and its drop out rate would concern the Temple if it wasn't for the quality of the Initiates who do remain. Even though I am not a spokesperson for the ToS I can say these things with complete confidence do to personal experience.

If you Seek, you shall find. "I shall roam this world, and will come to those who seek me." - Set, the BoCFbN

Xeper em Ma'at.
/Adramelek\

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

It has been suggested by some on another thread, now deleated, that the ToS "trolls for converts"

Well, it seems that you are paraphrasing me, only I wasn't talking about the ToS, I was talking about Michael Aquino. This conclusion is based on his ongoing behaviours over the last year or more at another board I frequent.

 

[fnord]

Well, it seems that you are paraphrasing me, only I wasn't talking about the ToS, I was talking about Michael Aquino. This conclusion is based on his ongoing behaviours over the last year or more at another board I frequent.

600Cer?

 

[SugaCubez352]

600Cer?

Yeah see this thread for more details: This Thread.

Good thing this topic got brought up again too lol. Thanks Adremilick.

The ToS is an Initiatory School of the Black Arts and its drop out rate would concern the Temple...

Adrimilick, I have a sincere question since you brought it up. What is the Temple of Set's drop out rate? And what is the percentage or ratio of "independent setians" to dependent or Temple member Setians?

It seems odd to me how you admit that ToS membership drop out rate is high, and Aquino is in the 600 club behaving "nostaligic" looking for the impressive few who are of "Setian-caliber."

 

[fnord]

Good thing this topic got brought up again too lol. Thanks Adremilick.

Okey dokey, I'm out of it!

Carry on.

 

[EtuMalku]

It has been suggested by some on another thread, now deleated, that the ToS "trolls for converts" nor does it consider itself in competition with any other LHP group. Those who believe this are completely illadvised. The Temple of Set has no desire nor any need to "convert" people. Those who are Elect of the Black Flame of Set will Seek and find their way into the venerable halls of the Dark Lord's true Fane on Earth. The ToS is an Initiatory School of the Black Arts and its drop out rate would concern the Temple if it wasn't for the quality of the Initiates who do remain. Even though I am not a spokesperson for the ToS I can say these things with complete confidence do to personal experience.

If you Seek, you shall find. "I shall roam this world, and will come to those who seek me." - Set, the BoCFbN

Xeper em Ma'at.
/Adramelek\

Thank you Adramelek, it is obvious there are certain 'members' attempting to create Apophical Chaos here with Dr. Aquino and the Temple. This is a NON-DEBATABLE forum, which means it is also not open for slander and contempt. Why it is taking the MODS so long to react is beyond me, but I do hope those held responsible are BANNED, for this infringement of the RULES set here has been seen again and again.

Ir Shti Shta-tu
EM

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

600Cer?

Yes, I've had an active account there since 2008 or so.

 

[Kori Houghton]

Adramelek, I think I may have been the poster who originally used that phrase in reference to Aquino posting a bunch of annecdotes on 600Club that I first read 20 years ago on FidoNet :sleep:

The 'trolling' remark was ironic humor, something Set would get, I think.

Maybe I've got it all wrong, but I never thought those pop occulture stories he posts were meant to be read with a frozen dead-serious face.

 

[Kori Houghton]

Thank you Adramelek, it is obvious there are certain 'members' attempting to create Apophical Chaos here with Dr. Aquino and the Temple. This is a NON-DEBATABLE forum, which means it is also not open for slander and contempt. Why it is taking the MODS so long to react is beyond me, but I do hope those held responsible are BANNED, for this infringement of the RULES set here has been seen again and again.

Ir Shti Shta-tu
EM

Joking about repetitive posting isn't debate or slander. It's not about the Temple's doctrines, membership, or reputation for ethics. Actually, it's not about the Temple at all.

 

[Adramelek]

Well, it seems that you are paraphrasing me, only I wasn't talking about the ToS, I was talking about Michael Aquino. This conclusion is based on his ongoing behaviours over the last year or more at another board I frequent.

Trust me SSE, I do respect you as a friend and fellow traveler of the LHP. But, yes I was thinking of you and others in my post. I don't know Aquino's personal motivations on the 600 Club. His motivations are his own. However, for me personally, I have no hidden aggenda here on the RF... it has never been, nor will it ever be my goal to seek "converts" to Setian philosophy or to the ToS. I am here only to engage in stimulating conversation, and to express my own personal views, and individual Magical techniques as my interests are quite varied ranging from Setian, Satanic, Thelemic, and all things concerning the Path of the Left.

/Adramelek\

 

[Adramelek]

Adrimilick, I have a sincere question since you brought it up. What is the Temple of Set's drop out rate? And what is the percentage or ratio of "independent setians" to dependent or Temple member Setians?

Good question SugaCubez... BTW it's Adramelek. Anyway, from my own personal experience two to three out of every five Setian I*'s make it to the Second Degree Adept. Back in the early 1990's when I first entered the ToS there were five Setians here in Tulsa, OK. We would frequently meet with two Setian I*'s from Arkansas and one other from some other state. All five of us here in Tulsa were Recognized to the Degree of Adept II*, the other three were not. For some reason or another they simply did not make the Grade. The Work required of the First Degree Setian to attain the Second Degree Adept is some of the most trying and difficult in the Temple's entire Six Degree system. Trust me on this.

As for the second question, I really don't know.

I would also add that, no matter what some of you may think of Dr. Michael A. Aquino, there is no doubt in my mind that he will be remembered in the halls of the Black Arts as one of the great Black Magicians in the same league as LaVey and Crowley.

 

[SugaCubez352]

Happy Birthday by the way Adramelek. You know, "clique mentality" most times gets in the way of good old fashion Human Connectivity.

 

[Valor]

Why it is taking the MODS so long to react is beyond me, but I do hope those held responsible are BANNED, for this infringement of the RULES set here has been seen again and again.

Ir Shti Shta-tu
EM

LOL...oh the "RULES" and humanity!... listen, most of us wouldn't be here (in this stage of Initiation) if we followed "the rules", am i wrong. Or are rules just convienant when in our favor? Which is a great segway-

Again, and i feel odd having to remind this, but this is a "Setian" forum, not a ToS forum. As unpleasant as it might be, and i don't condone "slander", there are going to be heads butting here... If someone were to disagree with ToS applications concerning Setian'ism, it's not up to ToS members to reach out for support to "MODS" to fix it in accordance to ToS dogma. (if you will)

Please note: i mean no disrespect toward affiliated members...nor do i condone personal attacks.

It's an odd re-occuring thing: if someone was to disagree with the Temple in here...it seems that the thread either gets frozen or removed because of certain ToS members (ive been told) were running to the Mods as if the red coats were coming... :run:

As a LHP practitioner, i've learned to either roll with the punches or return them...it's instilled within us. The LHP is Not the place to harbor an emotional glass jaw. If one were to question a particular application of yours, defend it. Don't run a point fingers, we're not in court. Defending our path is something we should practice often.

PS. I thought this place was a Bank...i never seen so many tellers.

 

[Sireal]

LOL...oh the "RULES" and humanity!... listen, most of us wouldn't be here (in this stage of Initiation) if we followed "the rules", am i wrong. Or are rules just convienant when in our favor? Which is a great segway-

The rules of RF are pretty clear and from what I've seen appropriate for a board that hosts so many variations of religious experience. The only reason I frequent this board is because I can discuss Setian philosophy with interested/ing people not to hear the same old tired rhetoric about who has a hard-on for some ToS member or have former disgruntled members promote their not so "new" idea's on this list. You may find this entertaining Valor, I think it is a waste of bandwidth and time and I'd rather not read Suga's spam. First-if you weren't there you don't know, second spamming this list with "news" from another list is not Setian,it displays a real block in ones own Initiation-still distracted by what get's your goat, when you point that finger there's three pointing back at you, maybe one should listen instead of ranting. So yes having those messages removed helps maintain some modicum of integrity to the Setian list

Again, and i feel odd having to remind this, but this is a "Setian" forum, not a ToS forum. As unpleasant as it might be, and i don't condone "slander", there are going to be heads butting here... If someone were to disagree with ToS applications concerning Setian'ism, it's not up to ToS members to reach out for support to "MODS" to fix it in accordance to ToS dogma. (if you will)

I'll give you this as it speaks to your lack of Understanding of what being Setian really means and why this list has several Setians that frequent it in order to share our methods and knowledge here. That will only occur under circumstances conducive to applied Setian philosophy. This is not a Satanism list or a general LHP list, if you don't like how we teach or what we have to say you are free to leave, if you spam this list with garbage it will be reported and hopefully removed. If you are not here to ask intelligent questions and gain more understanding of Setian philosophy then what are you doing here? We covered ToS dogma in another thread~ Its Xeper! Verbal masturbation (stasis) will not help you Xeper, asking intelligent questions will or laying your own take on Setian philosophy down like several others do and is refreshing, worth while and promotes healthy dialogue that is sometimes aggressive and confrontational and I like that too, but giving way to the shyte a few enjoy posting here will serve only to lessen their stature and it is best for them that their juvenile posts are deleted.

It's an odd re-occuring thing: if someone was to disagree with the Temple in here...it seems that the thread either gets frozen or removed because of certain ToS members (ive been told) were running to the Mods as if the red coats were coming...

Well, that would be me Valor. I can tell s*it from clay and you don't get to s*it in my backyard w/o getting a boot up your asse. If you are truly interested in Setian dialogue your inquiry would reflect that and in this case it does not, so I would say you cling to power where you think you see it-outside of yourself-which I would think is a bad move but you are free to "play" as you please. I don't have much interest in players. If you attack the Temple or its members-Yes- you will receive an immediate response here, but I do not view that as being the purpose of this list and have better things to do with my time. I've raised enough children and seen every trick in the book-I can take that from a teenager but it bores me to see the same childish crap from supposedly thinking adults who say they are LHP magicians.

As a LHP practitioner, i've learned to either roll with the punches or return them...it's instilled within us. The LHP is Not the place to harbor an emotional glass jaw. If one were to question a particular application of yours, defend it. Don't run a point fingers, we're not in court. Defending our path is something we should practice often.

No glass jaw here. You have something intelligent to add then instead of platitudes and one-liners! good- lets hear it! I'm all ears....

 

[Sireal]

Happy Birthday by the way Adramelek. You know, "clique mentality" most times gets in the way of good old fashion Human Connectivity.

If you want some good old fashion human connectivity there's a Wiccan list right over there....:troll:

 

[blackout]

Intelligent dialogue between non-temple Setians and Temple Setians is easy.

This Setian forum here at RF is it's own entity.
I have NEVER felt "cliqued" out here by either Sireal, or Magister Adams.
or EM. Did I miss anyone?
Quite the contrary actually.
To which I might add, I've also never experienced "recruiting".

If some SETIANS want to bicker about nonToS/ToS
in the Setian forum here,
I guess that is their perogative.
But others of us really don't want to be bothered by it.
So I guess it would be our perogative to... not post back
in such instances.

I am FAR more interested in discussing the beauty and depth of Setianism,
as INDIVIDUALS live and practice such.
In this way we inspire one another to Xeper and Shine!
Childish infighting does absolutely nothing of value
for anyone.

My Opinion.

 

[Sireal]

Well, it seems that you are paraphrasing me, only I wasn't talking about the ToS, I was talking about Michael Aquino. This conclusion is based on his ongoing behaviours over the last year or more at another board I frequent.

I've had a thorough run through the 600 Club, its a great list, lots of wonderful minds and productive dialogue and lots of other stuff too. Dr. Aquino's posts and I have read all of them are exactly what they what appear to be-keeping things clear and standing up for his Word. That is his task as Magus of Xeper, but you knew that, right? If all you know of Dr. Aquino is the 600C then you know very little and to make a value judgment based on that list is about as poignant as doing that here with me-it means less than nothing to Setians and as this is a Setian list it is considered spam here. If you have beef with Dr. Aquino take it to his doorstep and you may learn something unexpected-just be prepared, he's pulled more than his share of minds out of the gutter. I've spent a little time in his company, read everything he's written and had the pleasure of his hospitality in his home and I w/couldn't even begin to make such judgment calls. The assumption that he is trolling for converts makes laugh so hard its not funny. The hubris of psycho-analyzing his "behavior" is way beyond your skill level, especially if you have never met and had a long meaningful dialogue with him, of that I'm certain. You are IMHO fortunate to have such a Being to engage if in fact you do that, if you don't- its your loss.

 

[blackout]

It's a big enough job Psycho/Psyche Analyzing One's Own Self.

(and the only one that really counts for anything)

 

[ktf]

OK people, listen up....http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...00458-debate-setians-satanists-those-lhp.html

 

[aa_nerut]

I am curious why one would even be concerned if someone else was even trolling for converts. I am not saying that anyone is or isn't, but what I am very curious about, and maybe this should be another thread altogether, is how does this effect your own personal Xeper concerning yourself about whether or not someone is looking for more initiates into their group?

Let's say for the sake of arguments that Dr. Aquino was trolling for converts. If you find this problematic, I guess the next question should be why? If it is because you don't want to be preached at, then don't listen. If it is because you feel that you find it a weakness of character in either the individual doing the trolling or the ones being converted, then find maybe look at yourself and see if you are on shaky ground in either being too preachy yourself or being sold on ideas or if you have the fear of these things happening to you and prevent it by attempting to eliminate these concepts from your personality.

I really think that in the end people spend too much time worrying about other people rather than focusing on their self. This is not directed at anyone here, as I am currently guilty of the same thing in writing this message, but we all need to take the time to understand two very important concepts, Indulgence and Xeper. These are philosophical ideas that point toward individuality, and not only your individuality but each persons individuality, which means it is their own prerogative to act in accordance with their own thoughts and goals. If you don't like the actions of another individual, I'd have to say suck it up and don't let those characteristics come out in you.

But I am always curious why many initiates on the LHP find that they need to worry about what the actions of someone else is. So rather than be concerned about Dr. Aquino's posts on an altogether separate and independent forum from this one, why not see if we can't figure out why these reactions get spawned in the first place. I think this has more merit in self development and could be a very productive ground for discussion, debate, and self reflection.