Valor
Active Member
Not just that Sireal, but within the USA we also take into account the state you live in.
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
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EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Valor, have you even tried to re-Affiliate recently?
Valor
Active Member
Yes, i tried for the second time about 4 months ago. But i'm not re-applying.
Daelach
Setian
Which is also what I read, indeed. However, the physical damage only occurs when applying it over a prolonged period. This is the same with alcohol by the way, which was even used on purpose to contribute to the annihilation of the American natives.
There are illegal substances which do much less harm to the body than the perfectly legal alcohol. Attention here: unfortunately, I cannot go into detail with regard to the forum rules. Anybody inclined to discuss the topic a bit deeper can contact me via email (no PM since this is also forbidden for such topics, I guess).
Of course, if one is a physical wreck due to the constant use of certain chemicals (the body does not care about whether they are legal or not), it will be hard to strive for any development at all. With a grilled brain, one will not even be able to understand the ruby tablet (-;
However, the interesting question (directly to you) is whether already tiny consumption of substances is already enough to hinder the affiliation with the TOS? Of course not if this does not get know, that is trivial.
Another very interesting thing is that Set was not only the god of war and of the foreign lands, but also of intoxication of all sorts, maybe comparable to Bacchus.
KHPR
Social Meritocratist
I believe I remember Dr. Aquino saying once, "What you do in your off time is up to you." That's totally open to interpretation, yet does not condone the use of illegal substances regardless of their detriment or lack there of to the body.
I'm pretty certain if I smoked a joint in Amsterdam and told Dr. Aquino that he wouldn't have a problem with it.
Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
Vasilisa Jade
Formerly Saint Tigeress
Yes! I totally agree. Then, in the case of psychedelics, they just make you go effing crazy. Crazy I tell ya. It's not worth the risk of possibly throwing yourself into severe psychosis or depression for the rest of your life. The junk lurking in your psyche like, gets vamped up on steroids and will claw it's way out and kick your mental behind, and you won't be able to do anything but take it.
*edit* on the other hand, anything goes in Amsterdam. That's the exception.
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Valor
Active Member
Not to mention the lives it destroyed getting to you and the lives you destroy using...it's never only about "you" but rather the residual destruction left in it's wake...sad.
It will ultimately define you...with no help from your withering Will. You will have no say in the Path you tread.
Vasilisa Jade
Formerly Saint Tigeress
That is very true if the experience spirals out of control.
Valor
Active Member
I know what you mean Tigress, but isn't ones life out of control the minute they decide to use? I mean, how bad does it have to get before its not in control? I would think that one is not in control the minute he decides to use without even picking up the discusting substance. Once he pickes it up...then it's really out of control. Even the thought of using can be considered "out of control"
Vasilisa Jade
Formerly Saint Tigeress
It depends. Some people self-soothe/self-medicate/escape with it. They are typically already out of control, easily.
Other people play with the stuff just for the hell of it, or for fun.
There is a genetic predisposition for addiction as well that varies in people. Obviously, if you know you are easily addicted to simple things like caffeine and sugar and whatnot... it's better to keep your curiosity under control and if you can't control that or your ease at addiction.... it's out of control.
My dad was a hippie.
He used to talk to me about drugs and hippies all the time. lol
Daelach
Setian
The point of control is a good one. I also once had big problems with situations out of my control. I once envied somewhat even Xtians who, faced with situations they had no possibility to control, still had the trust in their god that things would turn out to the best, finally. I did not have this trust when I just did not see any possibility. The path back to belief was shut because my reason had burned the bridge.
Reich wrote many interesting things about the character armor which fits in here quite well. It even tends to sicken people in the long run.
But I have discovered a way. Learn to relax, learn to let go. This is the way you really can go where no one has gone before. Which, btw, is not the same thing as letting go all cautiousness and ignoring all dangers!
You are quite right that this can be dangerous, even desastrous. That is the very reason why the LHP has ever been discouraged by the RHP schools. The latter ones are quite right that the LHP is a really dangerous shortcut, and I do not mean that symbolically. I mean this literally. The risk is not some spiritual fantasy stuff, it is as real as the possibility of becoming a wreck lying on the streets. Walking the LHP is walking on a rope in 20m altitude, with no safety lines. Every step can be the last one if the LHP adept commits too big a mistake.
However, there is a saying I like quite well: Better to live one day as a tiger than decades as a sheep. I do not necessarily strive for a long life (though I would not shorten it neither on purpose nor by stupid imprudence), but for a life where, upon my last breath (which will come anyway!) I will be able to grin and say "man, that was awesome!".
Maybe you want to read some of the books by Stanislav Grof who took scientific research in the area of certain substances back in the 60s when certain things still were legal.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I would have to agree but would add that certain drugs use YOU and others You use IT.
Crack is absolutely useless for anything for the most part, this substance uses you.
A shamanic intended journey with mild (in comparison to LSD) peyote in the correct setting 'can' be enlightening. Alcoholism may be the worse drug of them all as it is socially acceptable and creeps into your system after a prolonged period of time (years) until it possesses you.
Yep, an Awakened 'in the moment' state of mind is preferred no matter what you are doing.
Ir Shti Shta-tu
EM
I know all to well the pure hell that substance abuse can put one through, not just mentally, physically, and spiritually, but also the friction it can cause between loved ones who care about you. I am proud to say that I did conquer my own addiction. However, the damage it cost my life was rather substantial. During that time in my life, I lost my job and had to sell my condo.
But now as one who is substance free, I have a good job and am rebuilding my life, which is proving to be easier than I thought; my parents taught me well. So long as I continue to manage my money wisely and not spend beyond my means - my financial future looks bright. I must admit that my music and Magic have been my salvation.
Xeper em Ma'at.
/Adramelek\
But now as one who is substance free, I have a good job and am rebuilding my life, which is proving to be easier than I thought; my parents taught me well. So long as I continue to manage my money wisely and not spend beyond my means - my financial future looks bright. I must admit that my music and Magic have been my salvation.
Xeper em Ma'at.
/Adramelek\
Sireal
Setian
There's some bits in here that speak to the direction this thread is taking, check it out.
Chris Hedges and Derrick Jensen on Totalitarianism and Resistance - Truthdig
Chris Hedges and Derrick Jensen on Totalitarianism and Resistance - Truthdig
Valor
Active Member
Great interview. Not only are frogs dying, the ones that are being found are uni sex because of all the prescription meds and other suppliments going down the toilet, ultimately effecting thier hormones, hence, uni sex animals.
It's scary. I'm an avid protester for animal rights. I pay the humane society 35$ a month and signed up for volunteer work here in my area. So far all i've had to do was collect bird eggs with another team and collect water samples all around...next month it's something different.
This interview is interesting concerning addiction, human manifestation and sociopaths.
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Valor
Active Member
These days my only vice is coffee. But i did experiment when in my early 20's, but never enjoyed the high's as much as everyone else. It was just messy and not for me. I try to stay in optimal shape for the Arts, and learned very fast that substance was taking that away...i got my *** handed to me in NY after a few weeks of partying instead of training. Never again i said.
I didn't feel likei was under control, no matter which high experienced...it can be very scary when control is negated or misplaced.
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