Oklahoma schools in revolt over Bible mandate

[Terrywoodenpic]

Fire every one who revolted. The time has come to stop being nice to leftists. Look what happened when Chamberlain tried being nice to hitler.

Yup he was ignored. And chamberlain was the Conservative prime minister of England.

Hitler was the leader of the fascist national Socialists in Germany.
However he did agree terms with the Communists in Russia.

Like Trump he was a liar and ignored every one and every agreement.

 

[LeftyLen]

They don't want it as literature, though. They want it as dogma.

Take Mission Generation: "like Uber, but for Jesus."

That's actually in their mission statement.

But wait, there's more:

Leverage is a business term which means “reach a large mass of people with the Good News of Jesus Christ on a tiny budget.” To accomplish this, Mission Generation utilizes digital technology to leverage school facilities and faculties to deliver the Gospel to the largest group of unreached people in the world – school-age children. . . .​

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Eating the enemy’s lunch requires solving problems and overcoming challenges in ways more common with business acumen. One example of how the ministry accomplishes this is how it responds to the universal shortage of school counselors in the developing world. We reshaped our Bible courses into a high-quality, spiritual school counselor training (chaplain) program that meets every academic requirement. The School Chaplain Program offers a post-baccalaureate degree in spiritual school counseling and school chaplaincy with international certification and accreditation. . .​

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Mission Generation has been placed at the vanguard of Kingdom expansion by leveraging school faculties and facilities to the Glory of God thanks to the prayers and financial support of our partners.​

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I learned about Mission Generation from this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/22/chaplains-public-schools-culture-wars/

'Mission Generation" by its own statement then has no business in schools.

 

[Ignatius A]

Yup he was ignored. And chamberlain was the Conservative prime minister of England.

Hitler was the leader of the fascist national Socialists in Germany.
However he did agree terms with the Communists in Russia.

Like Trump he was a liar and ignored every one and every agreement.

Look folks little hitler doesn't seem to like being called hitler even though that's what it is. If only you lr feelings mattered to anyone.

 

[Pogo]

Look folks little hitler doesn't seem to like being called hitler even though that's what it is. If only you lr feelings mattered to anyone.

So, your solution is to purge all of the "leftists" from society so only the true merkins are left and will achieve their true destiny and the left is the little Hitlers.

 

[Ignatius A]

So, your solution is to purge all of the "leftists" from society so only the true merkins are left and will achieve their true destiny and the left is the little Hitlers.

Where did I mention a "solution"? Why do you people only ever respond to the voices in your head instead of what people actually say? Make no mistakes though leftism is a cancer. Leftists have infected the Democrat party. That's not my problem to solve though.

 

[Pogo]

Where did I mention a "solution"? Why do you people only ever respond to the voices in your head instead of what people actually say? Make no mistakes though leftism is a cancer. Leftists have infected the Democrat party. That's not my problem to solve though.

No it was fire anyone who disagrees.
Yes you have no solution, just rants about anyone who doesn't think like you. LOL

 

[SkepticThinker]

The drama queenery of you people is hilarious. Lots of hours practicing in front of the mirror.

Have you read your own posts?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Where did I mention a "solution"? Why do you people only ever respond to the voices in your head instead of what people actually say? Make no mistakes though leftism is a cancer. Leftists have infected the Democrat party. That's not my problem to solve though.

Maybe if you had something to offer other than names, insults and bizarre unhinged claims, we'd have some reason to engage with your posts.

 

[Ignatius A]

No it was fire anyone who disagrees.
Yes you have no solution, just rants about anyone who doesn't think like you. LOL

No it wasn't fire anyone who disagrees. This is another example of listening to the voices in your head. I said fire them in they don't do their job. If they don't want to reach the Bible fine! You find work somewhere else. Please read before you reply it will make this much smoother

 

[Ignatius A]

Have you read your own posts?

And yours

 

[Ignatius A]

Maybe if you had something to offer other than names, insults and bizarre unhinged claims, we'd have some reason to engage with your posts.

You have been engaging my posts all along. Is someone there forcing you to do so? Send us a hint about your address and we'll send the food to help you.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I am not concerned so much with intent as with conduct.

I'm concerned about both. There is no doubt that there is the intent to indoctrinate public school children into Christianity. The theocratic right doesn't care about literature, history, or culture.

The Bible as literature is a core foundation

Nope. It's not even relevant to grade school children. Literature itself isn't really a thing until perhaps high school, and then it's things like Great Expectations and Moby Dick (two books in my high school curriculum), or more contemporary works like Animal Farm or One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. The Christian Bible is irrelevant outside of Christianity. There is more literature and as much cultural relevance in Shakespeare, which is also inappropriate before high school.

I have no problem with you hating trump my problem is with people who hate Trump but whom pretend they don't.

There is no problem there. Who that disapproves of Trump is reluctant to say so? And if there are some, isn't their silence good for Trump? This is just more of your anti-liberal bigotry. You don't merely disagree with liberals. You intend to demean them as well.

Regarding anger, these comments are about anger about religion, but they apply here as well regarding anger at Trump, the Republican party, and stealth Christian theocrats:

• "But I also have to quarrel with the very notion that a person's arguments can be dismissed because of anger. Smugly accusing someone of anger doesn't do anything to discount the content of the argument. I'd argue that people who see vile behavior in the name of religion and don't get angry are the ones who have something wrong with them." - Amanda Marcotte
• "I've wondered, for awhile, why Christians think that accusing me of being angry at their religion is actually an argument against my objections. I mean, even if I were abnormally angry ... I have absolutely no rational reason I can come up with that makes that a good enough reason to think I'm wrong ... the reasoning often seems to be that, because I'm angry, my argument is flawed and I can be dismissed." - Peter Mosley
• "Atheists aren't angry because we're selfish, or bitter, or joyless. Atheists are angry because we have compassion. Atheists are angry because we have a sense of justice. Atheists are angry because we see millions of people being terribly harmed by religion, and our hearts go out to them, and we feel motivated to do something about it. Atheists aren't angry because there's something wrong with us. Atheists are angry because there's something right with us."- Greta Christina
• "Religious apologists complain bitterly that atheists and secularists are aggressive and hostile in their criticism of them. I always say: look, when you guys were in charge, you didn't argue with us, you just burnt us at the stake. Now what we're doing is, we're presenting you with some arguments and some challenging questions, and you complain." - A.C. Grayling

I have already told you that I have maximal contempt for Trump, which isn't hatred by itself, but I also wish his life to be as long and unhappy as possible, which is gratuitous suffering that I'm looking for - suffering that accomplishes nothing but cause misery.

Of course having that attitude is less desirable than being indifferent to Trump's future apart from him never becoming president. I'm going to either be disappointed or experience catharsis, and catharsis feels good, but needing it doesn't.

But that's what my conscience screams to me, and as long as it does, I will continue to think and hope for the worst for Trump.

no where does it prohibit the teaching of the bible. The only thing preventing it is peoples hatred for the bible.

Proselytizing and indoctrinating Christianity is unconstitutional according to multiple Court rulings, although that may change with this SCOTUS.

And we don't hate the Bible. I don't. I have no emotional reaction to it. I consider it irrelevant in my life and boring to read. And that should be credible to you after my comments regarding how I feel about Trump. If I hated it, I'd say so and tell you why.

This is just more of you trying to demean people who reject your boof using anger as if it were a character flaw rather than an appropriate reaction at times.

dogma has a place in schools.

No, it doesn't, but I doubt that they'll ever get the Pledge out of schools. That's indoctrination with dogma. Dogma belongs nowhere ,just like faith. Both are anathema to the critical thinker.

It's also not illegal to offend people but plenty of people have been punished because they offended people.

Are you referring to cancel culture or to offending Putin and being imprisoned or killed? If the former, it's also not illegal. Trump would love to have Putin's power to neutralize critics.

Trump just offended the Black community, and he will lose votes for it from the last people to realize that he's a racist and hates them. That's life. One needs to learn the rules of what people find acceptable and what they don't, and either make them work for you or become the victim of them.

You know that. You and I both know people who repeatedly say offensive things and are largely marginalized just like people with an offensive odor. It's unfortunate for them and the people around them that they can't solve these problems, but since they can't, and since they repeatedly offend others, they pay a price.

 

[Ignatius A]

I'm concerned about both. There is no doubt that there is the intent to indoctrinate public school children into Christianity. The theocratic right doesn't care about literature, history, or culture.

Nope. It's not even relevant to grade school children. Literature itself isn't really a thing until perhaps high school, and then it's things like Great Expectations and Moby Dick (two books in my high school curriculum), or more contemporary works like Animal Farm or One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. The Christian Bible is irrelevant outside of Christianity. There is more literature and as much cultural relevance in Shakespeare, which is also inappropriate before high school.

There is no problem there. Who that disapproves of Trump is reluctant to say so? And if there are some, isn't their silence good for Trump? This is just more of your anti-liberal bigotry. You don't merely disagree with liberals. You intend to demean them as well.

Regarding anger, these comments are about anger about religion, but they apply here as well regarding anger at Trump, the Republican party, and stealth Christian theocrats:

• "But I also have to quarrel with the very notion that a person's arguments can be dismissed because of anger. Smugly accusing someone of anger doesn't do anything to discount the content of the argument. I'd argue that people who see vile behavior in the name of religion and don't get angry are the ones who have something wrong with them." - Amanda Marcotte
• "I've wondered, for awhile, why Christians think that accusing me of being angry at their religion is actually an argument against my objections. I mean, even if I were abnormally angry ... I have absolutely no rational reason I can come up with that makes that a good enough reason to think I'm wrong ... the reasoning often seems to be that, because I'm angry, my argument is flawed and I can be dismissed." - Peter Mosley
• "Atheists aren't angry because we're selfish, or bitter, or joyless. Atheists are angry because we have compassion. Atheists are angry because we have a sense of justice. Atheists are angry because we see millions of people being terribly harmed by religion, and our hearts go out to them, and we feel motivated to do something about it. Atheists aren't angry because there's something wrong with us. Atheists are angry because there's something right with us."- Greta Christina
• "Religious apologists complain bitterly that atheists and secularists are aggressive and hostile in their criticism of them. I always say: look, when you guys were in charge, you didn't argue with us, you just burnt us at the stake. Now what we're doing is, we're presenting you with some arguments and some challenging questions, and you complain." - A.C. Grayling

I have already told you that I have maximal contempt for Trump, which isn't hatred by itself, but I also wish his life to be as long and unhappy as possible, which is gratuitous suffering that I'm looking for - suffering that accomplishes nothing but cause misery.

Of course having that attitude is less desirable than being indifferent to Trump's future apart from him never becoming president. I'm going to either be disappointed or experience catharsis, and I can live without either.

But that's what my conscience screams to me, and as long as it does, I will continue to think and hope for the worst for Trump.

Proselytizing and indoctrinating Christianity is unconstitutional according to Court multiple rulings, although that may change with this SCOTUS.

And we don't hate the Bible. I don't. I have no emotional reaction to it. I consider it irrelevant in my life and boring to read. And that should be credible to you after my comments regarding how I feel about Trump. If I hated it, I'd say so and tell you why.

This is just more of you trying to demean people who reject your boof using anger as if it were a character flaw rather than an appropriate reaction at times.

No, it doesn't, but I doubt that they'll ever get the Pledge out of schools. That's indoctrination with dogma. Dogma belongs nowhere ,just like faith. Both are anathema to the critical thinker.

Are you referring to cancel culture or to offending Putin and being imprisoned or killed? If the former, it's also not illegal. Trump would love to have Putin's power to neutralize critics.

Trump just offended the Black community, and he will lose votes for it from the last people to realize that he's a racist and hates them. That's life. One needs to learn the rules of what people find acceptable and what they don't, and either make them work for you or become the victim of them.

You know that. You and I both know people who repeatedly say offensive things and are largely marginalized just like people with an offensive odor. It's unfortunate for them and the people around them that they can't solve these problems, but since they can't, and since they repeatedly offend others, they pay a price.

Lots of people are reluctant. I have asked hundreds of Democrats why they hate trump and almost every time they whine, "I dont hate him i just dont like what he does." That's much a load of horse droppings. The way leftists talk to trump supporter me is another prime example of the seething hate they have. Even this post of yours is a cover for the hatred. I've met only 3 intellectually honest and emotionally healthy leftists and none have been online

 

[SkepticThinker]

You have been engaging my posts all along. Is someone there forcing you to do so? Send us a hint about your address and we'll send the food to help you.

Thanks for making my point for me.

 

[Ignatius A]

Thanks for making my point for me.

And you mine. Isn't agreement wonderful? Keep responding though.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lots of people are reluctant. I have asked hundreds of Democrats why they hate trump and almost every time they whine, "I dont hate him i just dont like what he does." That's much a load of horse droppings.

So they do tell you, but you don't accept the answer, because you think you know more about the person than they do themselves.

I don't know about you, but I don't like people who sexually abuse and defraud others. I don't know why anyone does, or why anyone would support a person who did so for his entire life.

The way leftists talk to trump supporter me is another prime example of the seething hate they have. Even this post of yours is a cover for the hatred. I've met only 3 intellectually honest and emotionally healthy leftists and none have been online

You have seething hatred for the left. You've made that quite apparent with your repeated bigoted statements about them.
And now you're projecting that onto the left. That much is obvious.

 

[Ignatius A]

So they do tell you, but you don't accept the answer, because you think you know more about the person than they do themselves.

I don't know about you, but I don't like people who sexually abuse and defraud others. I don't know why anyone does, or why anyone would support a person who did so for his entire life.

You have seething hatred for the left. You've made that quite apparent with your repeated bigoted statements about them.
And now you're projecting that onto the left. That much is obvious.

You respond a lot to someone who has nothing to say. It's fascinating. It seems to make you feel better though.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You respond a lot to someone who has nothing to say. It's fascinating. It seems to make you feel better though.

And you didn't respond to a single thing I said in my post.
Keep it up, you're making my point for me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Lots of people are reluctant. I have asked hundreds of Democrats why they hate trump and almost every time they whine, "I dont hate him i just dont like what he does." That's much a load of horse droppings. The way leftists talk to trump supporter me is another prime example of the seething hate they have. Even this post of yours is a cover for the hatred. I've met only 3 intellectually honest and emotionally healthy leftists and none have been online

This is an odd thing to obsess over.
Speaking of hatred...
Do you hate Biden or Harris?
Do Republicans in general admit hating them?

 

[Copernicus]

Saying that public schools teach leftist claptrap is definitely rightist claptrap.