Old Earth vs Young Earth Debate

[Subduction Zone]

Your prob., bud, is ya didnt bother with even the very first definition that pops up on google, no link clickin' even needed.

myth
miTH/
noun

1. 1.
   a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

I did click on the first definition that came up for me, but I used the word "mythical" and not "myth". But even your example does fit into the category of "just made up". They used the word "traditional" in this context that appears to mean "made up".

 

[Audie]

I did click on the first definition that came up for me, but I used the word "mythical" and not "myth". But even your example does fit into the category of "just made up". They used the word "traditional" in this context that appears to mean "made up".

That is how it appears to be as now it seems to you to be.

It includes but is not limited to the entirely fanciful.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is how it appears to be as now it seems to you to be.

It includes but is not limited to the entirely fanciful.

Yes, but in the context of the this conversation, in other words the examples that @Native has brought up, do you think it is anything but the fanciful? Take Mt. Meru, a mountain ten times the diameter of the Earth in height that everything in the universe revolves around. That only tells us that a story teller had no concept of how to use distances properly and believed that the Earth was flat. It does not tell us of some "deeper meaning".

 

[Audie]

Yes, but in the context of the this conversation, in other words the examples that @Native has brought up, do you think it is anything but the fanciful? Take Mt. Meru, a mountain ten times the diameter of the Earth in height that everything in the universe revolves around. That only tells us that a story teller had no concept of how to use distances properly and believed that the Earth was flat. It does not tell us of some "deeper meaning".

Higher, maybe

 

[Native]

Quote from - Myth - Wikipedia

"Myth is a folklore genre consisting of narratives that play a fundamental role in society, such as foundational tales. Myths often consist of sacred narratives about gods. According to Finnish folklorist Lauri Honko:

Myth, a story of the gods, a religious account of the beginning of the world, the creation, fundamental events, the exemplary deeds of the gods as a result of which the world, nature and culture were created together with all parts thereof and given their order, which still obtains. A myth expresses and confirms society's religious values and norms, it provides a pattern of behavior to be imitated, testifies to the efficacy of ritual with its practical ends and establishes the sanctity of cult".

- This definition is of course totally lost for Zubduction Zone and other who underestimates our ancestors natural and observable skills.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Quote from - Myth - Wikipedia

"Myth is a folklore genre consisting of narratives that play a fundamental role in society, such as foundational tales. Myths often consist of sacred narratives about gods. According to Finnish folklorist Lauri Honko:

Myth, a story of the gods, a religious account of the beginning of the world, the creation, fundamental events, the exemplary deeds of the gods as a result of which the world, nature and culture were created together with all parts thereof and given their order, which still obtains. A myth expresses and confirms society's religious values and norms, it provides a pattern of behavior to be imitated, testifies to the efficacy of ritual with its practical ends and establishes the sanctity of cult".

- This definition is of course totally lost for Zubduction Zone and other who underestimates our ancestors natural and observable skills.

If anyone was lost it is you. And no, I do not underestimate our ancestors. Why would you make false claims about others? And you do not seem to realize that your sorce supports my claims. I could help you to understand it, if you ask nicely.

 

[Native]

Yes, but in the context of the this conversation, in other words the examples that @Native has brought up, do you think it is anything but the fanciful? Take Mt. Meru, a mountain ten times the diameter of the Earth in height that everything in the universe revolves around. That only tells us that a story teller had no concept of how to use distances properly and believed that the Earth was flat. It does not tell us of some "deeper meaning".

According to the text in this matter, you are factual incorrect. It should be "85 times the Earth diameter".

You are also incorrect regarding the telling of Mound Meru. It is not the entire Universe which is said to revolve around the Mound Meru, but "the entire Solar System revolving Mound Meru as one unit".

You have to stick to the context and contents if you should have any chances to understand what is told.

A Flat Earth with a mountain 85 times higher that the Earth diameter??? I wouldn´t exactly call that a flat Earth

 

[Subduction Zone]

According to the text in this matter, you are factual incorrect. It should be "85 times the Earth diameter".

You are also incorrect regarding the telling of Mound Meru. It is not the entire Universe which is said to revolve around the Mound Meru, but "the entire Solar System revolving Mound Meru as one unit".

You have to stick to the context and contents if you should have any chances to understand what is told.

A Flat Earth with a mountain 85 times higher that the Earth diameter??? I wouldn´t exactly call that a flat Earth

Does it really matter how many times the Earth's dismeter? Your correction is on the order of "nuh-uh! It didn't say a bazillion miles, it said a gazillion miles". A wild exaggeration is still a wild exaggeration in either case. And clearly you do not even understand the concept of a Flat Earth.

Again, if you ask nicely I will gladly help you.

 

[Audie]

Quote from - Myth - Wikipedia

"Myth is a folklore genre consisting of narratives that play a fundamental role in society, such as foundational tales. Myths often consist of sacred narratives about gods. According to Finnish folklorist Lauri Honko:

Myth, a story of the gods, a religious account of the beginning of the world, the creation, fundamental events, the exemplary deeds of the gods as a result of which the world, nature and culture were created together with all parts thereof and given their order, which still obtains. A myth expresses and confirms society's religious values and norms, it provides a pattern of behavior to be imitated, testifies to the efficacy of ritual with its practical ends and establishes the sanctity of cult".

- This definition is of course totally lost for Zubduction Zone and other who underestimates our ancestors natural and observable skills.

Between the selective editing and the name calling,
your post loses 90 plus percent of any value it may
have potentially had.

 

[Native]

Does it really matter how many times the Earth's dismeter? Your correction is on the order of "nuh-uh! It didn't say a bazillion miles, it said a gazillion miles". A wild exaggeration is still a wild exaggeration in either case. And clearly you do not even understand the concept of a Flat Earth.

I really don´t care about the astronomical numbers written in the Mound Meru myth. But i certainly care about focusing on a mythical textual information, which you seemingly don´t care the least about.

So you REALLY are a Flat Earther proponent! OK I see: A flat Earth is a disk with an astronomical high mountain on it . . .

Otherwise cosmic disks refers to galactic structures, but never mind.

Again, if you ask nicely I will gladly help you.

OK, so what are your helpful expertise then since it isn´t Mythology, Religion, Astronomy or Cosmology?

 

[Native]

Between the selective editing and the name calling,
your post loses 90 plus percent of any value it may
have potentially had.

How would you know? Are you an expert in Mythology, Religion, Astronomy or Cosmology? Or what?

 

[Audie]

How would you know? Are you an expert in Mythology, Religion, Astronomy or Cosmology? Or what?

Some reason for the snark and hostility?
I dont think so.

You knew you selectively edited the wiki page,
and you know why.

You know you were calling names.

If you do not know that is affects the value /
credibility of your post, and wont pay attention
when you are told, I sure wont bother again.

The q. is 100% irrelevant, even as a rhetorical device.

Sorry you want to act like this. Think quality for
a bit, maybe you can change a little.

 

[Native]

Some reason for the snark and hostility?
I dont think so.

You knew you selectively edited the wiki page,
and you know why.

You know you were calling names.

If you do not know that is affects the value /
credibility of your post, and wont pay attention
when you are told, I sure wont bother again.

The q. is 100% irrelevant, even as a rhetorical device.

Sorry you want to act like this. Think quality for
a bit, maybe you can change a little.

It´s fine by me if you have your focus on everything but the factual arguments and I asked politely into your skills and ability to judge what I writing about. So what are your skills?

 

[Audie]

It´s fine by me if you have your focus on everything but the factual arguments and I asked politely into your skills and ability to judge what I writing about. So what are your skills?

The relevant skill here is use of the ig function.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I really don´t care about the astronomical numbers written in the Mound Meru myth. But i certainly care about focusing on a mythical textual information, which you seemingly don´t care the least about.

So you REALLY are a Flat Earther proponent! OK I see: A flat Earth is a disk with an astronomical high mountain on it . . .

Otherwise cosmic disks refers to galactic structures, but never mind.



OK, so what are your helpful expertise then since it isn´t Mythology, Religion, Astronomy or Cosmology?

No, if anything you have been advocateting a flat earth.

Again, if you are polite, and it would help if you apologized for your past wrongs, I will gladly help you with the parts of this discussion that are too difficult for you.

 

[gnostic]

I really don´t care about the astronomical numbers written in the Mound Meru myth. But i certainly care about focusing on a mythical textual information, which you seemingly don´t care the least about.

So you REALLY are a Flat Earther proponent! OK I see: A flat Earth is a disk with an astronomical high mountain on it . . .

Otherwise cosmic disks refers to galactic structures, but never mind.

Meru is a complete myth.

There’s no Meru, numbers or otherwise, and it isn’t the galactic centre.

So if it doesn’t exist and it is one of those myths that have no basis in reality, then why do you continue this silly charade of arguing about it, as if it was real, Native?

 

[exchemist]

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From the way you understand my explanations, it seem that you are unable to connect the mythical and cosmological dots
And ancient people didn´t just look physically at the Sky, they also had spiritual visions/informations of the cosmos and how it works.

It is not up to me to connect dots here. You made a claim, and your supporting evidence fails to support it.

 

[Native]

The relevant skill here is use of the ig function.

I have no idea of what your "ig function" means.

 

[Native]

Again, if you are polite, and it would help if you apologized for your past wrongs, I will gladly help you with the parts of this discussion that are too difficult for you.

I politely asked into your skills so I can ask some questions, so what are your skills?

 

[Native]

Meru is a complete myth.

Yes it is. Unfortunately you don´t know what an ancient myth of astronomical importance is even when the text tells of a "center where the Sun and the entire Solar System revolves".

Honestly, I expected much more from a member who is calling him/herself "gnostic"