On Evolution & Creation

[Audie]

you just dumped cold water all over your "There is no "change of kinds" in evolution." so thanks for the laugh

Change of kind is a meaningless concept as “ kind” has no usable meaning.

So…?

 

[Pogo]

well, here's something easier to read: Method to convert the ashes of the deceased into diamonds..

Fortunately it was only about 2 minutes wasted on reading about a well known process for creating synthetic diamonds, well known to the reasonably well educated, did you have a point?

 

[Pogo]

That would be fascinating! Alchemists dream
come true.
The transmutstion of elements.

Nah, this is just simple separated carbon from sample chemically, burn to graphite, put in anvil and heat and press till diamond grown,

 

[YoursTrue]

Change of kind is a meaningless concept as “ kind” has no usable meaning.

So…?

there is nothing beyond speculation that fish evolved to be humans. You may not think so; some scientists may believe that fish became humans and that humans are fish -- there is nothing really to show that is what happened via the process of evolution.

 

[Subduction Zone]

there is nothing beyond speculation that fish evolved to be humans. You may not think so; some scientists may believe that fish became humans and that humans are fish -- there is nothing really to show that is what happened via the process of evolution.

There you go proving that you have no clue about evolution or even science in general. Are you willing to learn yet, or do you just want to continue to freely spout falsehoods.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Biology has no intended end-design is a math assumption.

No.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That is ridiculous. But why stop at monkey. why not say we are little squirrel like creatures that hid in trees from dinosaurs?

The correct word is "mammal".

or that we are a bony jawed fish?

The correct word is "vertebrate".

or why just call us simple bacteria?

The correct word is "eukaryote".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

you just dumped cold water all over your "There is no "change of kinds" in evolution." so thanks for the laugh

You have just shown your willful ignorance.

Here's a question: where, in your opinion, in @Subduction Zone 's post is there anything which would qualify as a "change in kinds"?
Give us a laugh also.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

you can be all of those if you want to be.

You aren't?
You are not a mammal? You are not a vertebrate? You are not a collection of eukaryotic cells?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I can't say if the present thousands of species of fruit flies evolved (descended) from a common ancestor. That no longer exists. All I know now is that evidently fruit flies remain as fruit flies and despite the many varieties (I'll call them that) of fruit flies, they are nevertheless still fruit flies.

And again with the same error that's been corrected on a weekly basis since at least june 2021.

Tell me, does the fact that fruit flies remain fruit flies in your opinion contradict evolution, or is it actually in line with what evolution say would happen?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

why do you assume that a particular species of fruit fly will not evolve into something that is not a fruit fly?

Speciation is a vertical process. Meaning that when speciation occurs, the new species will always be a SUBspecies of its ancestral species.

IOW, the descendants of fruit flies will be more fruit flies or sub species of fruit flies. Which will still be fruit flies.

In evolution, you can not outgrow your ancestry.
Vertebrates produce more vertebrates and subspecies of vertebrates, like mammals.
Mammals produce more mammals and subspecies of mammals, like primates.
Primates produce more primates and subspecies of primates, like homo sapiens.

Homo sapiens = "still" primates, mammals and vertebrates


Homo

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Where did apes come from?

From ancestral mammals.

 

[Audie]

Nah, this is just simple separated carbon from sample chemically, burn to graphite, put in anvil and heat and press till diamond grown,

Ash from cremated corpse is “separated carbon”?

 

[Argentbear]

From ancestral mammals.

and where did mammals come from?

 

[Pogo]

Ash from cremated corpse is “separated carbon”?

No, that is the acid wash etc. steps that are used to remover everything else in the ash.
The process is essentially the same as sample preparation for carbon dating where you chemically remove all other elements then convert to graphite and either run it through a scintillation counter or compress it till it forms diamond.

The first step is basically chemical decomposition of the sample to separate out the carbon.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

and where did mammals come from?

Let's just cut this short

https://evogeneao.s3.amazonaws.com/images/tree_of_life/tree-of-life_2000.png

 

[Audie]

No, that is the acid wash etc. steps that are used to remover everything else in the ash.
The process is essentially the same as sample preparation for carbon dating where you chemically remove all other elements then convert to graphite and either run it through a scintillation counter or compress it till it forms diamond.

The first step is basically chemical decomposition of the sample to separate out the carbon.

So the two percent carbonate in the ash is separated, then the carbon is separated
from the oxygen and then squeezed into diamond.

Thats not zactly turning ash to diamond which title was
just clickbait.

 

[Audie]

Let's just cut this short

https://evogeneao.s3.amazonaws.com/images/tree_of_life/tree-of-life_2000.png

where did god come from

 

[YoursTrue]

No.

It depends...

 

[YoursTrue]

So the two percent carbonate in the ash is separated, then the carbon is separated
from the oxygen and then squeezed into diamond.

Thats not zactly turning ash to diamond which title was
just clickbait.

nah -- it's dust to dust and then possibly diamonds...