On Evolution & Creation

[YoursTrue]

Maybe you should look up what eukaryotes are, before making a humongous fool of yourself.

Your response sounds fishy.

 

[Valjean]

Your response sounds fishy.

They're cell types, YT.
Prokaryotes are simple, single cells, with no nucleus and their genetic material and structures just floating around. Bacteria are prokaryotes.
Eukaryotes can be single cells or multicellular. The cells are more complex, with organelles and nuclei containing their genetic material. An amœba is a eukaryote. So are you.

 

[YoursTrue]

They're cell types, YT.
Prokaryotes are simple, single cells, with no nucleus and their genetic material and structures just floating around. Bacteria are prokaryotes.
Eukaryotes can be single cells or multicellular. The cells are more complex, with organelles and nuclei containing their genetic material. An amœba is a eukaryote. So are you.

When I said it sounds 'fishy,' I meant that it almost (not quite) sounds like I AM a fish. I deny that, no matter what anyone else says. While my body may be composed entirely of eukaryotic cells, I personally wouldn't say humans or others are eukaryotes. I might rather say we are composed of eukaryotes. But thanks for explanation of prokaryotes and eukaryotes. I never had a real good memory, I guess that's part of my upbringing, I won't necessarily say genetic structure that I was born with (from). Although I did well in school, I was a good student and when the teacher said to write something out 10 times, I did it. So maybe I should do that with prokaryotes and eukaryotes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When I said it sounds 'fishy,' I meant that it almost (not quite) sounds like I AM a fish. I deny that, no matter what anyone else says. While my body may be composed entirely of eukaryotic cells, I personally wouldn't say humans or others are eukaryotes. I might rather say we are composed of eukaryotes. But thanks for explanation of prokaryotes and eukaryotes. I never had a real good memory, I guess that's part of my upbringing, I won't necessarily say genetic structure that I was born with (from). Although I did well in school, I was a good student and when the teacher said to write something out 10 times, I did it. So maybe I should do that with prokaryotes and eukaryotes.

Like it or not if you have breasts you are a mammal. And if you have eukaryotic cells you are a eukaryote. If you do not like admitting that you are a fish then you could always admit to being a member of Chordata. That only means that you have a spinal cord.

By the way, it is possible that this could be a very distant ancestor of yours. Though it looks like a dinosaur or even a reptile it is not either one. It is a synapsid.:

 

[walt]

I Googled this: How does the eye the tear duct the blinking all function together? This came up on the first page:

When you blink, your tear glands located above the eye produce tears which spread across the surface of your eye, lubricating it and washing away debris; these tears then drain through small openings in the inner corner of the eye called tear ducts, eventually flowing into the nasal cavity through a drainage system in the nose, effectively cleaning and moistening the eye with each blink.

For all this to exist and work together, would anyone say this was by design or not by design?

How does the eye the tear duct the blinking all function together? - Google Search

Tear System (Lacrimal Apparatus): Function and Anatomy

The lacrimal apparatus is the medical name for your tear system. It’s a group of glands, sacs and ducts that makes new tears and drains old ones away.

my.clevelandclinic.org

 

[Subduction Zone]

I Googled this: How does the eye the tear duct the blinking all function together? This came up on the first page:

When you blink, your tear glands located above the eye produce tears which spread across the surface of your eye, lubricating it and washing away debris; these tears then drain through small openings in the inner corner of the eye called tear ducts, eventually flowing into the nasal cavity through a drainage system in the nose, effectively cleaning and moistening the eye with each blink.

For all this to exist and work together, would anyone say this was by design or not by design?

Why on Earth would you assume it to be design? An "I do not know why" is never evidence for magic. Odds are that how it evolve is well understood, but why would anyone look that up for you?

You need to show just a little bit of good faith on your part. You need to be willing to learn what is and what is not evidence first.

In fact it is extremely hypocritical to ask for evidence when one does not understand the concept.

 

[John53]

I Googled this: How does the eye the tear duct the blinking all function together? This came up on the first page:

When you blink, your tear glands located above the eye produce tears which spread across the surface of your eye, lubricating it and washing away debris; these tears then drain through small openings in the inner corner of the eye called tear ducts, eventually flowing into the nasal cavity through a drainage system in the nose, effectively cleaning and moistening the eye with each blink.

For all this to exist and work together, would anyone say this was by design or not by design?

No link again

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Clearly (to me) you misrepresent what I am saying.

I don't. You were clearly saying that for evolution to be true, you think finches should evolve into non-finches.
In reality, such a thing would disprove evolution.

Because, as they say, you moved the goal posts.

No, I just answered your ignorantly infused questions

Since we are so far apart, as the saying goes also illustratively -- you there and me here -- the gap will certainly not be bridged now, as it stands currently. And thank you, and have a nice day.

Yes, continue swimming in the sea of willful ignorance. Try not to drown.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Any dictionary can give a definition of what evolution is purported to be by "science." (Have a good one...take care...and thanks. Bye for now...)

Dictionaries are actually not that great to learn about what a scientific theory is all about, as they will more often then not just give you colloquial definitions of words.

Having said that, do you have a point?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Your response sounds fishy.

You might fair well also with looking up what Eukaryotes are, it seems.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I Googled this: How does the eye the tear duct the blinking all function together? This came up on the first page:

When you blink, your tear glands located above the eye produce tears which spread across the surface of your eye, lubricating it and washing away debris; these tears then drain through small openings in the inner corner of the eye called tear ducts, eventually flowing into the nasal cavity through a drainage system in the nose, effectively cleaning and moistening the eye with each blink.

For all this to exist and work together, would anyone say this was by design or not by design?

We know it exists and works together as a result of millions of years of evolution.

 

[Hooded_Crow]

Exactly. General dictionaries are descriptive, they give the meanings commonly used by the general public, whether or not the usage is technically accurate.

Yes. The word "theory" is often misused by people who try to discredit evolution.

 

[blü 2]

I Googled this: How does the eye the tear duct the blinking all function together? This came up on the first page:

So how do you account for those elements of the body all functioning usefully together?

The choice appears to be evolution or magic, doesn't it?

And the trouble with magic is that it has no explanatory power; it's utterly silent on the question of "how?"

And nothing changes if you substitute 'miracle' for 'magic'. A miracle is simply magic performed by a god,

 

[Valjean]

When I said it sounds 'fishy,' I meant that it almost (not quite) sounds like I AM a fish. I deny that, no matter what anyone else says.

You both are and aren't a fish. It depends on how biologically technical you want to get.
Technically an organism can't evolve out of its clade, so if you follow the line backwards from a particular species, on a cladogram, you see that the species is a variety of it's immediate ancestor, the ancestor is a variety of its ancestor, which is a variety if its ancestor, &c -- all the way back to LUCA.
It's ancestors all the way down....

But this technicality isn't particularly helpful, and for laymen it can be confusing. People usually ignore complex analyses.
Saying that you're a fish sounds so ridiculous, on its surface, that most people would reject it out-of-hand, along with anything else the claimant might claim. They'd conclude that biologists were a bunch of nutters.
I wish posters would respond at their audience's presumed level of sophistication.

While my body may be composed entirely of eukaryotic cells, I personally wouldn't say humans or others are eukaryotes.

But that's what a eukaryote IS! All multi-cellular organisms conform to the definition of eukaryote; all have cells with nuclei.
So please explain why human are not eukaryotes.

I might rather say we are composed of eukaryotes.

We're colony organisms?
That doesn't make sense. I am a single, independent eukaryote. So are you. All multicellular animals are eukaryotes.

 

[Valjean]

I Googled this: How does the eye the tear duct the blinking all function together? This came up on the first page:

When you blink, your tear glands located above the eye produce tears which spread across the surface of your eye, lubricating it and washing away debris; these tears then drain through small openings in the inner corner of the eye called tear ducts, eventually flowing into the nasal cavity through a drainage system in the nose, effectively cleaning and moistening the eye with each blink.

For all this to exist and work together, would anyone say this was by design or not by design?

How does the eye the tear duct the blinking all function together? - Google Search

Tear System (Lacrimal Apparatus): Function and Anatomy

The lacrimal apparatus is the medical name for your tear system. It’s a group of glands, sacs and ducts that makes new tears and drains old ones away.

my.clevelandclinic.org

This is the watchmaker analogy, and an argument from personal incredulity.

If you understand the mechanism by which the complexity arose; the steps involved, you wouldn't see any need to invoke magic as an "explanation."

Evolution is an accumulation of millions of small, seemingly insignificant steps, over billions of years. Millions of tiny changes can accumulate into a lot of complexity after billions of years.

As for the coöperative, functional interaction; the "working together,' as you say, intentional design is not needed or evidenced. The blind sorting of chance variants by the known, observable mechanisms of chemistry and evolution, over time, are sufficient to explain the complexity.

The basics of biology should be common knowledge, they should be learned in school. Do schools not teach the basics of science anymore?

 

[Audie]

Dog breeds were created by humans who used evolution to select certain traits deliberately. Nature just runs its natural course. You can have a new generation of offspring in a year, so breeders were able to create certain types of dogs quite quickly.

I'm astounded how little knowledge some of these members are about even the most basic concepts of biology and evolution. Yet they have doubts?

Who would not disbelieve the silly straw men and wonky notions.

Is this the correct stages?

non-life
single-cell
unicellular organisms
chordata

Yes. The word "theory" is often misused by people who try to discredit evolution.

Always

 

[F1fan]

I Googled this: How does the eye the tear duct the blinking all function together? This came up on the first page:

When you blink, your tear glands located above the eye produce tears which spread across the surface of your eye, lubricating it and washing away debris; these tears then drain through small openings in the inner corner of the eye called tear ducts, eventually flowing into the nasal cavity through a drainage system in the nose, effectively cleaning and moistening the eye with each blink.

For all this to exist and work together, would anyone say this was by design or not by design?

If you are going to consider that design is why any particular aspect of life is what it is, what designed it? And if design is how problems get solved for things like dry eyes, why do defects still exist? Why are many people born with genes that cause cancer? If a designer is going to do anything useful get rid of cancer. Don't you agree?

If you think a designer exists why does it let children die of cancer? This is the dilemma with claiming design is how tear ducts exist or any other complex system.

 

[YoursTrue]

You both are and aren't a fish. It depends on how biologically technical you want to get.
Technically an organism can't evolve out of its clade, so if you follow the line backwards from a particular species, on a cladogram, you see that the species is a variety of it's immediate ancestor, the ancestor is a variety of its ancestor, which is a variety if its ancestor, &c -- all the way back to LUCA.
It's ancestors all the way down....

But this technicality isn't particularly helpful, and for laymen it can be confusing. People usually ignore complex analyses.
Saying that you're a fish sounds so ridiculous, on its surface, that most people would reject it out-of-hand, along with anything else the claimant might claim. They'd conclude that biologists were a bunch of nutters.
I wish posters would respond at their audience's presumed level of sophistication.

But that's what a eukaryote IS! All multi-cellular organisms conform to the definition of eukaryote; all have cells with nuclei.
So please explain why human are not eukaryotes.

We're colony organisms?
That doesn't make sense. I am a single, independent eukaryote. So are you. All multicellular animals are eukaryotes.

OK, let me understand this a little better. You are not a multitude of eukaryotes, but (I hate to say this) one eukiaryote? Oh wait, maybe I get it. So humans are described as a eukaryote even though we are composed of gazillions of eukaryotic cells, is that right? (Do I have it right now?) I can understand that better than saying we are FISH, but anyway -- hope you have a swimmingly good day today.

 

[icant]

If you want to challenge the theory, then understand it, understand the science, understand the evidence and apply some logical reasoning. Otherwise, what everyone sees is a person with a personal opinion that no amount of reason or evidence will persuade and for which no reason exists to continue to engage them in that circle.

I Believe in evolution. I am a farm boy and was able to create some mighty fine animals on the farm. Hogs that weighed over 800 lbs. that was as durable as a wild hog in the woods. Chickens that laid nothing but double yoke eggs. Bulls that weighed over 2,000 lbs. Crops that produced twice the yield of normal crops. All of these were produced by using science. But just to leave them alone and in a few years, they would be returning to what they were before.

But that is all a moot point without having a life form to begin with.

You can spout all the things you can get from a classroom and books about what other people believe and expound upon but until you give me a life form to begin with to evolve you are just telling me a fairy tale that you have faith in.

The same goes for the BBT If you can not tell me where the hot, very dense thingmabob that expanded into the universe and all the energy required to build the universe out of came from you are just repeating a myth, that you bought into.

So welcome to the club of faith, even though, we believe in and have faith in different things.

Enjoy,

 

[YoursTrue]

This is the watchmaker analogy, and an argument from personal incredulity.

If you understand the mechanism by which the complexity arose; the steps involved, you wouldn't see any need to invoke magic as an "explanation."

Evolution is an accumulation of millions of small, seemingly insignificant steps, over billions of years. Millions of tiny changes can accumulate into a lot of complexity after billions of years.

No matter how many times that is said, the idea of what evolution is as many conceive and accept it does not make it true. And, from what I see, no matter how many times someone says the theory is lacking (without substance in actuality or realtime despite birds beaks changing or colors changing) that, too, is obviously going to be contested. Thus, there is no meeting ground insofar as I see it now. But thank you for your respectful and intelligent replies insofar as you absorb and believe the theory in all its aspects. I respect your portrayal of the theory, but do not go along with it because of the intricacies involved and the lack of real-time explanatory biologic happenings within cells and organisms plus the history of such. Hope you understand. Thanks.