On Evolution & Creation

[Valjean]

So you say mutations are random like thrown dice. Would you think something threw these dice-like mutations?

No. You're reading too much into an analogy.
The throw isn't relevant. The analogy involves the selection.

 

[blü 2]

Oh yes, by the way, it wouldn't make sense on a biologic basis to say there is no cause for mutation. Yes! Even though I don't believe in the theory of evolution as it is posited. Thank you. I believe mutations happen by chance, and there are physical biological causes ok reasons for these mutations however they're explained by scientists for these mutations.

Yes, things that can cause mutations may happen by chance. What happens next will depend on whether the mutation is beneficial, neutral or detrimental, and whether the mutation is genetically passed on or effectively neutralized or doesn't survive.

I do not deny that not everyone has the chance to learn about religion and God, which makes me realize that He is merciful and just and will definitely give people the opportunity to learn about Him in the future. That is what I believe based on what the Bible says regarding the future.

Why would you attribute magical qualities to the words of an old book, if not for reasons of acculturation?

 

[YoursTrue]

I mean when we ask theists what caused God they reply that God has no cause and no beginning. He's eternal.

????? -- that's not the ToE, that sounds more like the Kalam cosmological argument. The theory of evolution doesn't involve philosophic speculation about abstract causes and beginnings.

I don't understand what you're asking, here. Are we talking about theology or evolution? Please clarify.
There are several mechanisms of evolution. Mutation is one of them. It generates variation.

The Bible says God IS. He has no beginning and no end. I know it may be difficult to understand for some who demand more than that to "believe." To say that mutations are not caused by something, even as one poster here said it's like "throwing dice," it nevertheless has something causing that movement or "dice-like" throw to happen. If you don't believe that random mutations are CAUSED by something, whatever it may be, so be it and please -- have a good day. Thanks

 

[Pogo]

I mean when we ask theists what caused God they reply that God has no cause and no beginning. He's eternal.

????? -- that's not the ToE, that sounds more like the Kalam cosmological argument. The theory of evolution doesn't involve philosophic speculation about abstract causes and beginnings.

I don't understand what you're asking, here. Are we talking about theology or evolution? Please clarify.
There are several mechanisms of evolution. Mutation is one of them. It generates variation.

It is the confusion of the religious mind that things happening must involve some purpose / thought rather than understanding that rain causing a sidewalk to be wet is not some deep philosophical thing to be explored.

 

[Valjean]

So you believe there is a cause to mutation.

Not a conscious or intentional cause. There are accidental, mechanical or chemical causes.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, things that can cause mutations may happen by chance. What happens next will depend on whether the mutation is beneficial, neutral or detrimental, and whether the mutation is genetically passed on or effectively neutralized or doesn't survive.


Why would you attribute magical qualities to the words of an old book, if not for reasons of acculturation?

I am not sure if evolutionary theory now has it that everything (in the universe) had a beginning. As far as mutations go, someone brought up about the residents of Nepal. I had read that article earlier and found it interesting that their lung capacity (if I remember correctly) changed). Would you say that means scientifically this population is possibly evolving into another species of humankind?

 

[YoursTrue]

It is the confusion of the religious mind that things happening must involve some purpose / thought rather than understanding that rain causing a sidewalk to be wet is not some deep philosophical thing to be explored.

Again, just for clarification if you will -- are mutations of the beneficial or possibly non-beneficial kind caused by anything?

 

[F1fan]

The Bible says God IS.

Irrelevant. It's not a factual book, so not relevant to understanding what is true about how things are.

He has no beginning and no end. I know it may be difficult to understand for some who demand more than that to "believe."

God is a character in your book, and it's not factual. It is irrelevant how it describes the character of God.

To say that mutations are not caused by something, even as one poster here said it's like "throwing dice," it nevertheless has something causing that movement or "dice-like" throw to happen. If you don't believe that random mutations are CAUSED by something, whatever it may be, so be it and please -- have a good day. Thanks

It has to be something real. Gods are not known to exist, nor have any observed behaviors, so irrelevant.

 

[YoursTrue]

It is the confusion of the religious mind that things happening must involve some purpose / thought rather than understanding that rain causing a sidewalk to be wet is not some deep philosophical thing to be explored.

Life, as far as I am concerned, has a purpose. You do not believe that, I suppose. Mutations, it is now said here, have no purpose...they are random and can be deleterious, but now I see some here are saying these mutations are said to be CAUSED by ??? something,..and oh, well, have a good evening.

 

[Pogo]

Hello, Do you have a video I can watch that explains how non-life chemicals became first life?

And a video on how unicellular organisms become complex organisms?

Hello, do you have a video of how your God designed the eyeball and why he put the nerves on the wrong side in mammals?
No, didn't think so, stop asking silly questions and learn something rather than wishing for a pot of gold and thinking because we can't give it to you somehow that is significant.

BTW, don't waste our time with the DI's inch worm video, I'm sure you have seen it, so have we and it demonstrates nothing.

 

[Valjean]

The Bible says God IS. He has no beginning and no end. I know it may be difficult to understand for some who demand more than that to "believe." To say that mutations are not caused by something, even as one poster here said it's like "throwing dice," it nevertheless has something causing that movement or "dice-like" throw to happen. If you don't believe that random mutations are CAUSED by something, whatever it may be, so be it and please -- have a good day. Thanks

You're preaching, YT, and seeing relationships that aren't there. The elimination of the unfit dice mirrors natural selection in biology. The sorting of the dice was just a simpler kind of selection, to help you grasp the essential mechanism of natural selection. It had nothing to do with theology.

This isn't the first analogy that's gone right over your head. Do you understand what analogy is, or how they work?

 

[YoursTrue]

Hello, do you have a video of how your God designed the eyeball and why he put the nerves on the wrong side in mammals?
No, didn't think so, stop asking silly questions and learn something rather than wishing for a pot of gold and thinking because we can't give it to you somehow that is significant.

BTW, don't waste our time with the DI's inch worm video, I'm sure you have seen it, so have we and it demonstrates nothing.

In other words, you don't know or can't say whether there is a video explaining the evolution of -- the eyeball -- ok, as the saying goes -- no problem.

 

[YoursTrue]

You're preaching, YT, and seeing relationships that aren't there. The elimination of the unfit dice mirrors natural selection in biology. The sorting of the dice was just a simpler kind of selection, to help you grasp the essential mechanism of natural selection. It had nothing to do with theology.

This isn't the first analogy that's gone right over your head. Do you understand what analogy is, or how they work?

I believe life has a purpose to it. Apparently you do not. So whatever...you believe, I believe. Differently. By the way, I consider what you're doing is preaching your way of thinking and believing. Take care.

 

[Valjean]

Life, as far as I am concerned, has a purpose. You do not believe that, I suppose. Mutations, it is now said here, have no purpose...they are random and can be deleterious, but now I see some here are saying these mutations are said to be CAUSED by ??? something,..and oh, well, have a good evening.

 

[icant]

So now you are saying that God does not exist. That is at the least if you are going to be consistent

No.

What I am saying is that I have faith that God does exist and created the universe and supplied all the energy needed to produce the universe. He formed the first man from the ground as well as all animals and fowl and gave them life.

I have the record of the history of the light period in which God Created most things but not all things. Moses spent 40 days and nights on Mt. Sinai. Moses went up the mountain a total of 8 times and God told him the things He wanted us to know about creation and the things that transpired. He told Moses many other things and to write all of it down in books for the people to live by and study daily.

I have read that History Book and it tells me many things.
It tells me why I am here, and how I got here.
It explains how all the many wonderful sights got here.
It explains to me why I am eternal in existence.
It tells me of numerous things that science has proved to be true.
None of the writers of the Bible got paid for writing.
So I think I will put more trust in what an unpaid writer wrote.

Than those who got paid for their writing as they had a personal interest in writing.

Then when I add all my personal experiences I have had with God, my Father for the past 75 years I will put my FAITH in Him.

But you are welcome to put your faith in whatever you believe.

Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
So you just do what seems right to you and I will do the same.

You know everybody has an opinion and you are welcome to mine.

Enjoy,

 

[Esteban X]

So you say mutations are random like thrown dice. Would you think something threw these dice-like mutations?

Mating creatures threw the dice. In Asexual reproduction a single creature threw the dice. Just an unintended side effect of reproduction

 

[walt]

Hello, do you have a video of how your God designed the eyeball and why he put the nerves on the wrong side in mammals?
No, didn't think so, stop asking silly questions and learn something rather than wishing for a pot of gold and thinking because we can't give it to you somehow that is significant.

BTW, don't waste our time with the DI's inch worm video, I'm sure you have seen it, so have we and it demonstrates nothing.

Thank you for your friendly words.

 

[icant]

None of this is factual. No gods are known to exist, and believers can’t present any compelling evidence.

I have just as much evidence that God does indeed Exist as you do for something existing at one billionth of a second after time did not exist at T=0 that started expanding at the speed of light.

I have just as much evidence that God does indeed Exist as you do for something becoming a living cell from non existing life.

Prove me wrong.

Enjoy,

 

[Esteban X]

I believe life has a purpose to it. Apparently you do not. So whatever...you believe, I believe. Differently. By the way, I consider what you're doing is preaching your way of thinking and believing. Take care.

The purpose of life is to continue, to make more life. Anything beyond that is up to the individual.

 

[walt]

Why aren't you doing your own homework? You can do a search for these topics.

It seems like whatever I say and whatever I research, I am doing it the wrong way.

So I wanted to watch a video that someone recommended, so I don't do something wrong again.