On Evolution & Creation

[blü 2]

So there is cause for mutation.

You'll enjoy reading this: >The causes of mutations<

 

[YoursTrue]

Only if chance has brought you up in a Christian culture. Were you born into a Muslim, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or Confucian, or Shinto, or Great Spirit, or Rainbow Serpent &c &c culture, likely you'd never have heard of Revelation, or if you had, have any inclination to read it.

I examined as much as I could to "figure things out..." when I was younger. I was an atheist raised in a religion but gave up on belief. But things happened that caused me to realize there is a God and He cares about me and His creation. Each one has his own road to travel, we can pray for enlightenment.

 

[YoursTrue]

You'll enjoy reading this: >The causes of mutations<

You'll enjoy reading this: >The causes of mutations<

Thanks.

 

[YoursTrue]

You'll enjoy reading this: >The causes of mutations<

Oh yes, by the way, it wouldn't make sense on a biologic basis to say there is no cause for mutation. Yes! Even though I don't believe in the theory of evolution as it is posited. Thank you. I believe mutations happen by chance, and there are physical biological causes ok reasons for these mutations however they're explained by scientists for these mutations.

 

[YoursTrue]

Only if chance has brought you up in a Christian culture. Were you born into a Muslim, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or Confucian, or Shinto, or Great Spirit, or Rainbow Serpent &c &c culture, likely you'd never have heard of Revelation, or if you had, have any inclination to read it.

I do not deny that not everyone has the chance to learn about religion and God, which makes me realize that He is merciful and just and will definitely give people the opportunity to learn about Him in the future. That is what I believe based on what the Bible says regarding the future.

 

[Esteban X]

Causeless? What do you mean by causeless? In actuality, by the way, it absolutely must be that according to the theory of evolution "everything must have a cause and a beginning,." Mutation is the "cause" for change according to the theory, isn't it? Random events--are you telling me they are not "cause" for change?

Mutation is change, not the cause of change.

 

[Esteban X]

Also @Esteban X Please explain if you believe there is nothing to CAUSE mutations.

Mutation is caused by the combination and replication of genomes

 

[YoursTrue]

Mutation is caused by the combination and replication of genomes

So you believe there is a cause to mutation.

 

[walt]

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Hello, Do you have a video I can watch that explains how non-life chemicals became first life?

And a video on how unicellular organisms become complex organisms?

 

[Valjean]

In discussing evolution, I'm always surprised at how few people have ever bothered to read Darwin's book on it. I've read it a couple of times, and my understanding of his theory is that evolution is a matter of random mutations as species procreate. Some mutations benefit survival, and others don't. There's no necessary progress, here, except insofar as a species survives better in relation to its environment as a result of random mutations.

Me, I'm always surprised at how many people don't seem to realize that research has been ongoing, and we know a lot more than Darwin did. They still think Darwin's discoveries are state-of-the-art.

 

[F1fan]

So are you saying there is no cause physically for mutations? Ok sorry, I think you are saying there is a PHYSICAL cause for mutation.

Everything in nature is cause and effect. But since you have contempt for science any time you ask a question that includes "cause" it has to be clarified that causes are natural. There is no supernatural phenomenon known to exist, and no supernatural causes observed, so it's irrelevant. Everything in the universe behaves due to natural causes.

 

[Esteban X]

So you believe there is a cause to mutation.

Of course. But is not guided, the mutation is random, like throwing dice, if the result is beneficial it is passed on, if it is deleterious it is not.

 

[F1fan]

Hello, Do you have a video I can watch that explains how non-life chemicals became first life?

Inorganic chemicals don't become first life. These chemicals can become organic chemicals when certain environmental conditions exist. These are the building blocks of life. How these chemicals combine to form molecules, and then form chains of molecules. These then began to replicate.

And a video on how unicellular organisms become complex organisms?

Why aren't you doing your own homework? You can do a search for these topics.

 

[F1fan]

I examined as much as I could to "figure things out..." when I was younger. I was an atheist raised in a religion but gave up on belief. But things happened that caused me to realize there is a God and He cares about me and His creation.

It's not unusual for people suffering some sort of distress to fall back on comfortable traditions, like the religion they grew up with. It was Christianity, yes? Not Islam, right?

Each one has his own road to travel, we can pray for enlightenment.

That will happen when you accept science.

 

[John53]

Why aren't you doing your own homework? You can do a search for these topics.

If he's trying to understand evolution he'd be better off starting with the basics but I suspect it's all a search for things that is thought to refute ToE.

 

[walt]

Inorganic chemicals don't become first life. These chemicals can become organic chemicals when certain environmental conditions exist. These are the building blocks of life. How these chemicals combine to form molecules, and then form chains of molecules. These then began to replicate.

Why aren't you doing your own homework? You can do a search for these topics.

Do you have a video that shows how non-life becomes life?

 

[YoursTrue]

Of course. But is not guided, the mutation is random, like throwing dice, if the result is beneficial it is passed on, if it is deleterious it is not.

So you say mutations are random like thrown dice. Would you think something threw these dice-like mutations?

 

[F1fan]

So you say mutations are random like thrown dice. Would you think something threw these dice-like mutations?

`The dice are metaphors, just like your God throwing them.

No, the randomness is just part of nature. Look at how many sperm can fertilize an egg. One sperm can lead to a healthy offspring while another can lead to defects. This is why many women get their zygote tested for genetic abnormalities, and they can opt to end the pregnancy if any defects are found.

Would you say your God throws the dice that ends up with a three year old child developing cancer? How does that work for your beliefs?

 

[Valjean]

Causeless? What do you mean by causeless?

I mean when we ask theists what caused God they reply that God has no cause and no beginning. He's eternal.

In actuality, by the way, it absolutely must be that according to the theory of evolution "everything must have a cause and a beginning,."

????? -- that's not the ToE, that sounds more like the Kalam cosmological argument. The theory of evolution doesn't involve philosophic speculation about abstract causes and beginnings.

Mutation is the "cause" for change according to the theory, isn't it? Random events--are you telling me they are not "cause" for change?

I don't understand what you're asking, here. Are we talking about theology or evolution? Please clarify.
There are several mechanisms of evolution. Mutation is one of them. It generates variation.

 

[Pogo]

So there is cause for mutation.

Is it a memory problem or just a severe deficit in rational thinking? This has been explained hundreds of times, mutations are changes in the DNA molecule, this is a chemical and as such is subject to chemical reactions, thus things like radiation and other chemicals can interfere with this molecule and its replication. These interferences however are random with respect to the function of the DNA molecule, thus the idea that something caused this mutation which had this effect is erroneous. The mutation happened by chance not cause. The chemistry behind the mutation had it's chemistry causes, but they are random with respect to the effect on the function of the DNA molecule. There are two parts to this problem that are separate and need to be understood that way.