On Evolution & Creation

[icant]

I contend you do not. I hear this claim over and over, and the same arguments are made over and over. So far, almost all have been easily debunked -- over and over.
I'm still curious, though. Can you present some evidence you find convincing?

Hi Valjean,

Could you explain what claims has been made and debunked?

I have FAITH my God exists. I have my talks with Him, and many experiences that prove to me He exists, that is all I have ever claimed.

You on the other hand make claims that something expanded into the Universe we now have. You don't know what is was nor do you know where it came from or from what source the energy required to build this universe from came from. And they you have an earth you say life began to exist upon without any mechanism to produce that life. But you know it happened just like you were told it did.

I believe by FAITH but you KNOW you are right. If you are put up your evidence that supports your position.

As for "Prove me wrong," do you understand what shifting the burden is?

You sitting there with that smug growl on your face accusing me of doing what you do in every post.
You know you are right and dare me to prove you wrong.

I only have FAITH that my God is real and my experiences with Him.
I am not going to try to prove to you that my God exists. You have already decided in your mind that He does not exist and His History Book is just a bunch of myth stories.

But when Jesus returns we will know who is right and who is wrong. Let me rephrase that, if you are right we will know nothing at all.

Enjoy,

 

[ppp]

I have FAITH my God exists. I

Your faith is no different from any random claim of any random guy in any random bar. It means a lot to you, but there is no reason for the rest of us to take your faith seriously.

 

[icant]

Not all opinions are equal. Confidence levels depend on epistemic methodology.

There is Fact and there is Fiction.
Fact is supported by evidence. Fiction has no evidence, where is your evidence?

I am claiming FAITH not fact because you would not accept anything I presented as a fact.
You on the other hand can not claim faith as that would put you in the same boat with me. Since you don't claim faith then you must have facts to support your position. Just present the facts not the fiction part.

Enjoy,

 

[ppp]

I am claiming FAITH not fact because you would not accept anything I presented as a fact.

Facts are demonstrated, not just claimed. Faith is just someone's dressed up opinion.

 

[icant]

AND non-life becoming life?

But you got to have life before it can evolve.

Enjoy,

 

[icant]

Facts are demonstrated, not just claimed. Faith is just someone's dressed up opinion.

Give me the facts about creation and the beginning of life on earth to exist?

Enjoy,

 

[ppp]

But you got to have life before it can evolve.

Enjoy,

Which means that evolution is a fact irrespective of how life arose. Even if one or more gods created life, evolution is the processes that that life has gone through and is currently going through

 

[ppp]

Give me the facts about creation and the beginning of life on earth to exist?

Enjoy,

Justify your question and demonstrate that there is a creation to have facts about. There is a universe. Demonstrate that it was created.

 

[icant]

Your faith is no different from any random claim of any random guy in any random bar. It means a lot to you, but there is no reason for the rest of us to take your faith seriously.

I don't ask anyone to accept my faith but you are not going to find me in a bar.

If you have some facts about creation and life beginning to exist on earth please share with me. Until then I will keep my faith.

Enjoy,

 

[ppp]

I don't ask anyone to accept my faith but you are not going to find me in a bar.

You do. Everytime you trot out your faith you are demanding it. I am in a juice bar at the moment. What have you got against fruit juice?

If you have some facts about creation

First demonstrate that there is a creation.

 

[icant]

Justify your question and demonstrate that there is a creation to have facts about. There is a universe. Demonstrate that it was created.

If you disagree with the BBT you must believe in a static universe as Einstein did before it was discovered this universe is expanding.

Do you Believe the universe is eternal in existence?

Enjoy,

 

[Valjean]

You say mutations is a minor factor in sexual reproduction. It is? Are mutations themselves minor factors? (With or without sexual reproduction?)

Are mutations themselves minor factors in what?
I'm saying mutation is not the major generator of variation in sexual reproduction.

Think about it, YT.
Evolution is an accumulation of genetic changes over many generations. Organisms need to produce enough variation in their offspring to keep up with changing environmental conditions. Do you think an organism that merely copies itself, once every twenty years, like ourselves, is likely to generate enough change, over millions of years to keep up with to keep up with changing environments?
Likely not with mutation alone. We cheat. We make sure there is a lot of variation in each generation, for natural selection to work with.

Bacteria reproduce and have proliferated into multifarious environments for several billion years, but they don't use sex as a variation-generator. For them, mutation is a major factor. It's pretty much all they have.

 

[icant]

ou do. Everytime you trot out your faith you are demanding it. I am in a juice bar at the moment. What have you got against fruit juice?

If it ain't lemon juice, it ain't juice.

Enjoy,

 

[ppp]

If you disagree with the BBT you must believe in a static universe as Einstein did before it was discovered this universe is expanding.

Do you Believe the universe is eternal in existence?

You are being evasive. You claimed the universe was created. Demonstrate that claim. Here. Now.

 

[John53]

But you got to have life before it can evolve.

Exactly

 

[icant]

ou do. Everytime you trot out your faith you are demanding it. I am in a juice bar at the moment. What have you got against fruit juice?

If it ain't lemon juice, it ain't juice.

Enjoy,

Which means that evolution is a fact irrespective of how life arose. Even if one or more gods created life, evolution is the processes that that life has gone through and is currently going through

I have never said evolution or devolution didn't take place I just don't believe in the evolution talked about here as I have never seen the millions of fossils Darwin said we would see if he was correct.

Enjoy,

 

[ppp]

I just don't believe in the evolution talked about here as I have never seen the millions of fossils Darwin said we would see if he was correct.

Citation needed.
Give me the citation where Darwin said we would see millions of fossils if he was correct. Book. Chapter. paragraph. Now

 

[Valjean]

At least you admit that the specific mechanisms that you say generated Earth's current life likely will never be known. hmm wonder why you think it will "never be known..." (likely, that is)

I expect several different mechanisms of abiogenesis will be discovered, but we're not likely to be able to say for sure which particular one of them led to you.

Oh, and P.S. that Nepalese people living high up in the mountains developed lungs that have different capacity than low-lying human dwellers does not mean evolution as it stands with changing species. It means that their lungs apparently acclimated to the conditions. They are still humans. Not another species of humans.

Acclimation's usually change in a single individual. The Nepalese are born that way. Evolution naturally selected adaptive changes, over many generations.

Sherpas Evolved to Live and Work at Altitude

The Nepali ethnic group handles oxygen more efficiently, allowing them to more easily live in the mountains

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[Viker]

If it ain't lemon juice, it ain't juice.

Enjoy,

I have never said evolution or devolution didn't take place I just don't believe in the evolution talked about here as I have never seen the millions of fossils Darwin said we would see if he was correct.

Enjoy,

I doubt he ever said or wrote that. We do, however have thousands of fossils supporting the ToE. It's a really fascinating 'deep dive' if you're interested. It's at your fingertips or down the way at a library/museum. Have some fun.

 

[Valjean]

If you disagree with the BBT you must believe in a static universe as Einstein did before it was discovered this universe is expanding.

I don't think this follows. Just because someone's skeptical about the BB doesn't mean he'd believe it was the only possible explanation for the observed expansion.