TagliatelliMonster
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A common ancestor.
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On Evolution & Creation
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TagliatelliMonster
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TagliatelliMonster
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Yeah, science is quite useful like that.
TagliatelliMonster
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Dude............. All this has been explained to you ad nauseum.
Species will not evolve twice.
Yes, land animals might evolve into sea animals, as we have seen with multiple other species, like whales.
But are whales "fish" like salmon are fish? No.
They might look like a fish (with an inverted tail though), but they are mammals. At best, they are "fish-like".
TagliatelliMonster
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TagliatelliMonster
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I only explained a couple dozen times by now.
It doesn't look like it will make any difference to explain it yet again.
BrokenBread
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They certainly can be the same in their assertions as we can see today.
Yet the Creator's prediction of the direction human life will advance existed long before evolutionary theory piggybacked onto it .
Evolution's law of the bloody tooth and claw is the direction the world is advancing in with ever accelerating speed every new year matching the creator's long ago assertion of the same.
Only the delusional would say that mankind is getting better not worse
There has been more human beings killed by other human beings in the last 150 years than in all the rest of recorded human history.
The number of humans enslaved by other humans is higher today than at any other time in human history .
There has not been the number of world conflicts ongoing today since WW2.
Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I already looked. There is nothing to SEE in reference to what Tiktaalik came from and where it was going (I mean evolving).
Not sure what you're saying, here. Evolution and Creationism could hardly be more different; moreover, I see little similarity in their "assertions" either. Creation(ism?) asserts all kinds of things, and what Baptists assert is different from what the Aztecs or Norsemen asserted.
Can you be more specific in your characterization of "Creation?"
Evolution asserts the most likely mechanisms of change among populations, given the evidence we currently have. It makes no predictions about man's future.
Which creator is that? -- there have been so many invented over the years. How would you know what s/he predicted, or whether s/he even existed, for that matter?
I'm not familiar with this law. Explain, please.
Again, you assert a creator, and his assertion of some sort of accelerating, world advance that has something to do with evolution.
What is advancing ever faster? What's it got to do with anatomic change in populations, and what's the evidence backing this?
Better or worse in what way? Health and prosperity? Security? Disease prevention or treatment? Material comfort? Longevity? Chances of being killed by another human being?
We seem to be getting better in many ways. Am I deluded, here?
Because we're behaving worse, or because our technology of destruction has advanced?
I'm skeptical. How are you defining slavery, and how was this count done?
Again: source? Who did this count? How is "world conflict" being defined?
Beatles. Getting Better:1967
It's getting better all the time
Better, better, better
It's getting better all the time
Better, better, better
Getting so much better all the time
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BrokenBread
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50 million people worldwide in modern slavery
Latest estimates show that forced labour and forced marriage have increased significantly in the last five years, according to the International Labour Organization, Walk Free and the International Organization for Migration.12 September 2022
GENEVA (ILO News) – Fifty million people were living in modern slavery in 2021, according to the latest Global Estimates of Modern Slavery. Of these people, 28 million were in forced labour and 22 million were trapped in forced marriage.
The number of people in modern slavery has risen significantly in the last five years. 10 million more people were in modern slavery in 2021 compared to 2016 global estimates. Women and children remain disproportionately vulnerable.
Where it came from and where it was going is not where the evidence lies. The evidence is in the sequence of changes the fossil record shows, and their dates.
McBell
Unbound
this reply does not answer either question...
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It really doesn't matter much to me about slavery numbers. Few or many, it's not good. There are plenty. There are those going to war now who are enslaved in many ways. those working in factories with low wages are also like slaves and worse. Millions are said to be child slaves. Working in factories and more. Sex workers can be enslaved. and on and on in many terrible ways. If I understand you correctly in that you are saying "things are getting better," you have just said the ultimate about your viewpoint.
When you say "slavery," most of us assume you're talking about chattel slavery.
I agree, a great many people are exploited in forced marriages, prostitution, wage slavery, &c. Whether the percentage of the exploited is greater than in the past, though, I can't say.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Not at all, but thank you for your opinion.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
However many horrible exploitations there are, it's terrible. Thank you again for expressing your viewpoint, I appreciate it.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No? Why not? Why DON'T you think that fish could again "evolve" to become apes? Or perhaps apes to devolve, no, I mean, evolve, to be fish. What's the "scientific" answer to those questions? Maybe apes need to go back to water breathing organisms. C'mon -- if spaceships could have deposited the start of living matter on the earth, propose some scientists, why not a nice little thought about apes evolving to fish? WHY NOT?
McBell
Unbound
When are you going to reveal the names of these scientists?
Subduction Zone
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She misunderstands statements that scientists make about evolution not relying on natural abiogenesis. She simply cannot get her mind around the idea that natural abiogenesis is the most likely answer by far, but even if that was impossible there are other possible sources for first life. What probably galls her even more is that it is more likely that (second to natural abiogenesis) that life from space is more likely than magical poofing.
Apes are the descendants of a specific genetic lineage. A fish can't go back and enter the cladistic lineage that led to apes any more than I could go back and become your great-grandfather. Genealogy doesn't work that way, and cladistics is genealogy.
A fish could presumably evolve into an apelike organism, under the right circumstances, but not into the actual ape lineage. The same is possible for apes evolving into an aquatic, fishlike form, but they won't be able to insert themselves into the actual, ancient, fish lineage.