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On the showing of the “pride flag, and appropriate activism.

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
That what you just did.

And I doubt very much you wanted an answer.
It was a genuine question about what you suggested to be a grammatical rule.

You made an assumption about my intent.

Regardless, you will never get another response.
If you are going to make assumptions about what I say and subsequently bring my integrity into question, then that's probably for the best.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
As for flags and parades.
We are so bombarded with advertising,
importunate messages on how to dress,
think, act, it's just too much.
I could not agree more. The whole "Pride" thing is so over the top days that it is nausiating to this old gay man. My guess is that it is based on straight people scoring intersectional oppression points to assauge their collective guilt.

As a member of this "community" I'd like to officially ask the "straight" world to put down that large stick y'all are using to beat yourselves, calm down and just stop it already. Plus: Notice how anyone who says anything contrary to all this BS is immediately jumped on nowadays. I think the "Allies" like being attack dogs.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
So if I have $100 and give you $10, is it correct to say that now have fewer money in my pocket?

Answering just because I love grammar!

It's a very general rule that less is for uncountable and mass nouns (including money, water, and sugar) but fewer is for countable nouns and units of quantity (such as dollars, gallons, and ounces).

So a stickler may say that you should say "I have less money than you" but "I have fewer dollars than you," but there are many examples of usage of less with countable nouns that go back many centuries, and it's also common to use with units of distance, time, etc.

I stick to that rule as a general guideline, but I realize that English dictionaries are descriptive rather than prescriptive and that language evolves a lot.

A few relevant sources:



 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Your opinion isn't irrelevant, but it's not representative of everyone else's experiences and not grounds to dismiss those as "overblown hyperventilating," especially when you know nothing about their lives and backgrounds.
Grrr. Oh, for Pete's sake, whose opinion IS representative of everyone else's experience? (Other than Straight Pride Allies, of course. Just ask them.) We have to get over this ridiculous kind of thinking.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Grrr. Oh, for Pete's sake, whose opinion IS representative of everyone else's experience? (Other than Straight Pride Allies, of course. Just ask them.) We have to get over this ridiculous kind of thinking.

Exactly. That's why nobody gets to dismiss others' experiences based on their own, such as by labeling them "overblown hyperventilating" or saying that they rarely happen at all.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I could not agree more. The whole "Pride" thing is so over the top days that it is nausiating to this old gay man. My guess is that it is based on straight people scoring intersectional oppression points to assauge their collective guilt.

As a member of this "community" I'd like to officially ask the "straight" world to put down that large stick y'all are using to beat yourselves, calm down and just stop it already. Plus: Notice how anyone who says anything contrary to all this BS is immediately jumped on nowadays. I think the "Allies" like being attack dogs.
Winner frub
 

Zwing

Active Member
When did I suggest your opinion is irrelevant?

I am merely offering that your opinion may be based on a limited perspective. Do you think a gay man who lives in the Bible Belt and has been beaten, shunned, and driven out of that part of the country would share in your opinion?
I think that the consideration that people in the American south are more predisposed to homophobia is, itself, an example of prejudice. My friend Bill was born and raised in western Tennessee, and his parents now live in Mississippi. For years, Billy’s best friend was a common friend of ours named Corliss, who was a homosexual (Corliss has now passed of cancer). Not only that, but Billy’s sister is married to a black man, a Hatian immigrant. The idea that southerners are predisposed to xenophobia is, I think, rather a social meme.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Answering just because I love grammar!

It's a very general rule that less is for uncountable and mass nouns (including money, water, and sugar) but fewer is for countable nouns and units of quantity (such as dollars, gallons, and ounces).

So a stickler may say that you should say "I have less money than you" but "I have fewer dollars than you," but there are many examples of usage of less with countable nouns that go back many centuries, and it's also common to use with units of distance, time, etc.

I stick to that rule as a general guideline, but I realize that English dictionaries are descriptive rather than prescriptive and that language evolves a lot.

A few relevant sources:



Tnx. I didn't feel like rising to the bait
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Exactly. That's why nobody gets to dismiss others' experiences based on their own, such as by labeling them "overblown hyperventilating" or saying that they rarely happen at all.
But it IS very over-blown, DS. Obviously, there will be exceptions. Coming out as gay in your country, Egypt (if memory serves correctly) probably is not wise, but I don't hear of any organized boycott or information program to try to educate the Muslim world as to the errors of their thinking and their treatment of gay people. Nope, just crickets.

Part of this is a weird trend to try to protect people from everything. Life is dangerous. The sooner people get used to that idea the sooner they might become successful navigating life's waters. Likewise, actions have consequences. It is not possible to mitigate all potential permutions of problems and make a "safe" world. It's not possible.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
June is Pride Month. The purpose of celebrating and displaying symbols is to bring awareness to gender equality, and in that sense, it is no different than displaying gold ribbons in September for Childhood Cancer Awareness. I find neither to be inappropriate.

It is merely a symbol for awareness. Thank you for taking the time to recognize this.
Oh great!! Now I am triggered about all of those pink symbols out there. Baseball players wearing pink. Some of them even having pink bats. And we see it in other sports too. Where are all of the eggplant symbols? Men have issues too at times. I bought an eggplant hat just to support men that face various problems from erectile disfunction to prostate cancer. Now I can proudly wear it everywhere while every one proudly smile at me and think "What a ****head"

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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Why did someone feel compelled to display that flag in so apparently inappropriate a venue?
I don't know why you find it inappropriate. Part of the mission statement of Audubon society is about education. They are providing a service for people who want to learn about nature and the environment. And that means all people. I think it is more than appropriate to make it clear that all people are welcome there.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Part of this is a weird trend to try to protect people from everything. Life is dangerous. The sooner people get used to that idea the sooner they might become successful navigating life's waters. Likewise, actions have consequences. It is not possible to mitigate all potential permutions of problems and make a "safe" world. It's not possible.
I don't think anyone expects a perfect world, but improving the world, or at least preventing it from becoming worse, will always be a constant, continuous effort. I think society has already displayed how easily it could backslide. For example, nobody thought Roe vs. Wade would be overturned, but here we are with people seeking to punish those who helped a raped ten year old seek an abortion.
 
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