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On the showing of the “pride flag, and appropriate activism.

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So, everyone is gay now? *giggles*

It may have initially been an organic movement decades ago but now its all about corporate policy and virture signalling. Plus the "gay" thing has been replaced by the "Trans" thing.
In the future you may have a bunch of people shouting "I am Cornholio" on Pride Day. Just as many people without a drop of Irish blood say "kiss me I'm Irish". Those claims are not meant to be taken seriously.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
There's a little brunch place - the Hartland Diner - that has a BLM flag on the left side of its entrance and a ProChoice flag on right. My wife and I, along with a son, a daughter-in-law, two granddaughters, and a friend, stopped there at the beginning of our drive back to the Midwest. Their breakfasts are outstanding!
 

Zwing

Active Member
Who gets to decide when it's "appropriate and meaningful?"
The question is not who, but how. Those things are determined by whether the display answers a historical or valid current supposition of what we call homophobia.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The question is not who, but how. Those things are determined by whether the display answers a historical or valid current supposition of what we call homophobia.
I'm not really here for people deciding whether my displays are valid.
 

Zwing

Active Member
Oh I understand the words, but the way you place then together creates utter nonsense.
Anybody else agree with this?
You suggest they could better symbolize inclusion by not being seen.
I think that the goal at this point in time is not inclusivity…that is now protected by law. It is inconsequentiality and normalization, which goals are not helped by continuing to shout “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!”, as they did in the days of the Stonewall riots. They are helped by demanding inclusivity without any additional hoopla.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Anybody else agree with this?

I think that the goal at this point in time is not inclusivity…that is now protected by law. It is inconsequentiality and normalization, which goals are not helped by continuing to shout “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!”, as they did in the days of the Stonewall riots. They are helped by demanding inclusivity without any additional hoopla.
I know, and the next thing that you know being of a race different than being white will be considered "normal" too. The never of some people!
 

Zwing

Active Member
I know, and the next thing that you know being of a race different than being white will be considered "normal" too. The never of some people!
Normalization happens naturally, as people in society get used to ****…grow accustomed to new ideas, unless, of course, that process is continually subverted by particularizing and calling attention.
 
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fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Anybody else agree with this?

I think that the goal at this point in time is not inclusivity…that is now protected by law. It is inconsequentiality and normalization, which goals are not helped by continuing to shout “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!”, as they did in the days of the Stonewall riots. They are helped by demanding inclusivity without any additional hoopla.
And who elected you to decide what the goals should be and how to achieve them?

Frankly I don’t think you understand the day and age you are living in. We are not as far from Stonewall as you seem to think, and there are plenty trying very hard to take us backwards.

No, this is not the time to be quiet. This is the time to continue to shout.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Normalization happens naturally, as people in society get used to ****…grow accustomed to new ideas, unless, of course, that process is continually subverted by particularizing and calling attention.
It seemed that you were opposing normalization of homosexuality. Maybe I was wrong.
 

Zwing

Active Member
Frankly I don’t think you understand the day and age you are living in. We are not as far from Stonewall as you seem to think, and there are plenty trying very hard to take us backwards.

No, this is not the time to be quiet. This is the time to continue to shout.
I don’t see this at all. Maybe things are different elsewhere…
 

ADigitalArtist

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Staff member
Premium Member
Anybody else agree with this?

I think that the goal at this point in time is not inclusivity…that is now protected by law. It is inconsequentiality and normalization, which goals are not helped by continuing to shout “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!”, as they did in the days of the Stonewall riots. They are helped by demanding inclusivity without any additional hoopla.
There are absolutely still metric tons of people who will only include LGBT so long as they stay quiet about it. Who scorn gay people holding hands, who challenge women who don't look to their standards of feminine in bathrooms, who won't see a gay doctor if they're straight for the pure and simple reason that they think gay men are a threat. Surface level acceptance is not what we should be going for, and naturalization happens from exposure, not silence.
 

Zwing

Active Member
Then open your eyes and keep them open. The silence you seek will only lull you to sleep. Stay woke.
I am awake and (generally…if I had my morning coffee) alert. I simply do not see it. I know that in many cultures of other parts of the world, LGBT is still anathema, but I don’t see it here very much, and what we do here is likely to have very little effect in sub-Saharan Africa or in the Muslim world.
 
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