anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
He doesn't realize he's telling others they don't get to decide because he's deciding for them.
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On the showing of the “pride flag, and appropriate activism.
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He doesn't realize he's telling others they don't get to decide because he's deciding for them.
That’s not true. I am saying that there are somewhat objective criteria which can be used to make such determinations, and would do so better than leaving it to individual, subjective feelings. How do you expect people to begin thinking of private sexuality as being of no consequence if you continually push forth the issue of sexuality upon them?
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
You may not see it that way, but I see it that way. See how that works in reverse?
In other words - they fly the flag for their reasons, you say they don't have reasons.
Why do you think you're a better arbiter?
Or at a Target store where employees are threatened because of a rainbow coloured tee shirt, or at a library where neo-nazi's show up in force because someone is reading a book to children, or where a Governor of a state signs legislation to prevent someone from talking about their orientation.
I don't know what fools paradise you live in.
No, that’s not my argument with respect to this. What I am saying is that, though they have reasons, the context within which they express those reasons is inappropriate. I might be a medical doctor who is “on call” and so must keep my phone turned on, but if I go to a public lecture, I should turn my phone off, otherwise not attend, since the context for having my phone turned on is inappropriate. See what I mean?
Even though I may have a valid reason for doing something, that doesn’t mean that I have a valid reason for expression within all possible contexts.
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That view is also disturbing.
And the implication of this is that the rainbow symbol should be "turned off" at the Audubon society because it would disturb the enjoyment of the show? Is that what you are saying?
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Me, a woman, awkwardly trying to hide all my rainbow things
But the rainbows, they’re so pretty Saint!!!!
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
What makes you the arbiter for the context?
Do you know if there are employees at the center who are gay? How many visitors to the center are gay? If there was an instance of a discriminatory act at the center?
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
I've noticed that men love festooning their trucks with rubber scrotums. It's obsessive.
Cutely phrased, but no. I am saying that they should perhaps not fly the flag because there is no reason to do so within that context, they’re seeming to be no valid supposition of homophobia within the environmentalist context. Oh my, I forgot about all those Greenpeace activists with their “back into the closet” campaign… (see the absurdity now?)
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
You've decided there's no reason. They've decided there is.
I agree! But we’re not just talking about rainbows here, but rather the sending of a seemingly unnecessary and counterproductive message.But the rainbows, they’re so pretty Saint!!!!
What’s counterproductive about showing your support for the Alphabet Soup community? (even if it’s shallow)
Like what?
If it’s counterproductive to show a pride flag in a society, that says far more about said society. Like damn!
Legit the other day I went to Officeworks for some printing ink. (It’s a computing store here. Not sure if it’s an American import or not.)
A worker had two badges prominently pinned to their top, informing the public of their pronouns and a large rainbow badge.
Did it take away from my experience? Did it hurt my shopping? Did it take anything away from me?
No of course not. I got my ink, was polite to said worker and everyone had a good day
My point being is, some people, some business (which are treated as people in the US to a large degree) just like to show their support for things. Only you get to decide how such a benign act affects you. And indeed some would measure your response as a telling point about you.
My advice is to just live and let live. I have tried the whole, “why does everyone have to do X” approach.
It does nothing but hamper your own feelings, often over nothing.
Father Heathen
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How many judges and legislators fit this stereotype?
As I say above, it works against normalization within contexts like mine, where acceptance and understanding are now generalized.
My parents used to volunteer quite heavily with the local Audubon, in maintaining trails, etc. They ceased all that absolutely several years ago. I don’t have a relationship at all with my padres, so I cannot ask them, but now suspect that their reason for ceasing might include a feeling of alienation if they perceived “in your face” expressions of LGBT paraphernalia. I don’t consider them homophobic at all, but I can easily see how any such expressions of partisan solidarity, even if it were the display of an ethnic flag or that horrendous “cop flag” I noted above, would make them feel uncomfortable enough to step away.
Come on, now…we’re not talking about rainbows.
As a naturalist, I love rainbows, though.
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
What about within contexts unlike yours, where acceptance and understanding are limited or nonexistent?
You don't have a relationship with them so cannot ask them but suspect they ceased volunteering because of rainbow flags?