Once Again The United States Supreme Court Blows It

[Kenny]

What makes you think they polled only "liberal America"?

what makes you think they didn't?

 

[Enoch07]

"In God We Trust" was adopted in 1956 as the nation's motto largely due to the "Red Scare" during that time.

Yeup to stick to the atheist communist. Seems like it still works on the ones inside the U.S. as well.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

what makes you think they didn't?

Because it wouldn't be an accurate sample if they did

 

[Subduction Zone]

what makes you think they didn't?

Because polls need to be honest to be accepted. You are proposing a conspiracy. That puts a huge burden of proof upon you.

 

[Kenny]

Because polls need to be honest to be accepted. You are proposing a conspiracy. That puts a huge burden of proof upon you.

You mean like the polls did during the election?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You mean like the polls did during the election?

Polls always have a margin of error. Why didn't you admit that you did not understand polling?

 

[Father Heathen]

Yeup to stick to the atheist communist. Seems like it still works on the ones inside the U.S. as well.

The only people it "sticks it to" are those who penned the Constitution and those who respect it enough to want it upheld.

 

[Kenny]

Polls always have a margin of error. Why didn't you admit that you did not understand polling?

There is a difference between "margin" and "completely wrong". Why do you not want to admit that it was WAAAY off? Denial?

 

[ecco]

A VICTORY for sanity and the validation of history. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Which god? Shiva, Allah, Atlas, please be specific.

 

[Skwim]

I think you should pay more attention to as to what the left side of that bill is saying.

Other than trying to take the discussion of track, just what is it you see on the left side that I should better spend my time on?

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[Kenny]

Because it wouldn't be an accurate sample if they did

Sometimes Bias enters in. As my statics teacher said, "You can make your poll say anything you want". The poll maker:

 

[Kenny]

Which god? Shiva, Allah, Atlas, please be specific.

You can pray to yours and I'll pray to mine or, if you are your own god, you can believe in yourself..

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is a difference between "margin" and "completely wrong". Why do you not want to admit that it was WAAAY off? Denial?

Then you do not understand either the U.S. election or polls. They were not "completely wrong". Trump won some very close states that swung the election. They were correct about the over all vote. Also sometimes people lie to pollsters, especially if they are embarrassed by their choice. It looks like the people that lied had a very good reason to be embarrassed.

 

[Road Warrior]

I don't see the harm in this. Is it catering to any one particular religion or another? No. So, where's the issue?

The problem for atheists is that it asserts there is a God.

 

[Curious George]

E pluribus unum hasn't been changed as the official motto of our nation, Frank. It still is. Regarding the precedence to referencing God within civil contexts, this goes back to (again) the FOUNDING DOCUMENT OF THIS NATION which contains a notable and explicit reference to a Creator. Speaking to the Founding Fathers, the vast majority of them were either Christians or Deists, individuals who believed in a God. Again, let us re-establish this: is any American citizen here being compelled or otherwise forced by their government to believe in a god or gods, or to adopt any particular religion? No.

While you are correct on the tradition, you are incorrect in thinking the question turns on whether an American citizen is being forced or compelled to believe in a particular god. The question is whether a reasonable person would think that the phrase demonstrates the government adopting a religious position.

On one hand you have religious folks using this very issue as evidence that we are a religious country on another hand the rote and traditional usage devalues any meaning. I certainly wouldn't think that a nation had adopted latin as an official language merely because E pluribus unum was written on the money.

 

[Road Warrior]

Yeup to stick to the atheist communist. Seems like it still works on the ones inside the U.S. as well.

The atheist communists murdered millions of their own people and tried, in vain, to eradicate religion. They failed despite over 70 years of trying. Why did they fail?

 

[Kenny]

Then you do not understand either the U.S. election or polls. They were not "completely wrong". Trump won some very close states that swung the election. They were correct about the over all vote. Also sometimes people lie to pollsters, especially if they are embarrassed by their choice. It looks like the people that lied had a very good reason to be embarrassed.

you apparently like to rewrite history:

FLORIDA — 29 Electoral Votes
(numbers equal percentage points)
Exit Polls: Clinton 47.7, Trump 46.4 — Clinton wins by 1.3
Actual: Clinton 47.8, Trump 49.0 — Trump wins by 1.2
Trump gain between exit polls and actual results: 2.5

PENNSYLVANIA — 20 Electoral Votes
Exit Polls: Clinton 50.5, Trump 46.1 — Clinton wins by 4.4
Actual: Clinton 47.6, Trump 48.8 — Trump wins by 1.2
Trump gain: 5.6

WISCONSIN — 10 Electoral Votes
Exit Polls: Clinton 48.2, Trump 44.3 — Clinton wins by 3.9
Actual: Clinton 47.6, Trump 48.8 — Trump wins by 1.2
Trump gain: 5.1

NORTH CAROLINA — 15 Electoral Votes
Exit Polls: Clinton 48.2, Trump 44.3 — Clinton wins by 3.9
Actual: Clinton 47.6, Trump 48.8 — Trump wins by 1.2
Trump gain: 5.1

These are BIG differences.

Collusion to affect votes?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Other than trying to take the discussion of track, just what is it you see on the left side that I should better spend my time on?

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Annuit Coeptis = [Deo pater] favors our undertakings, Novus Ordo Seclorum = The Great Order of the Ages is born again.

It is from Virgil. Says a lot about about our state religion. Like I said "Render unto Caesar, that which belongs to Caesar"

 

[Sundance]

The problem for atheists is that it asserts there is a God.

So, too, does the Declaration of Independence.

 

[Road Warrior]

So, too, does the Declaration of Independence.

Which, no doubt, among other past precedence, played into the SCOTUS decision.