Once we live forever

[ThePainefulTruth]

Yes, we do have guards keeping animals (us) away from it.
The post is not tongue-in-cheek.
The Dead Sea Scrolls are our only real source of information about proto-Christianity. The Vatican threatened Mr Allegro with excommunication if he published the translation. But he no longer cared, the cat was out of the bag.
"This is my blood, this is my body"

You may find more useful education here...
Rupert Sheldrake...the BANNED (the guards are still at it) TED talk...

Didn't know white boys could play Delta blues, besides Ry Cooder and Steve Vai.

There are plenty of proto-"christian" sources besides the Dead Sea Scrolls, like Revelation (part Ebionite?), the Q, James, the very early Didache (which contains no divinity of Jesus, not atonement via Jesus' body and blood, and no mention of Jesus’ resurrection from the dead), Gnostic texts, and Paul's intended and unintended information contained in his letters--not to mention what's still lost, buried or destroyed by the purge.

But you can't be serious about man guarding "the fruit" from the animals.

 

[Papoon]

Didn't know white boys could play Delta Blues..
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Sure 'nuff... I do.

There are plenty of proto-"christian" sources besides the Dead Sea Scrolls, like Revelation (part Ebionite?), the Q, James, the very early Didache (which contains no divinity of Jesus, not atonement via Jesus' body and blood, and no mention of Jesus’ resurrection from the dead), Gnostic texts, and Paul's intended and unintended information contained in his letters--not to mention what's still lost, buried or destroyed by the purge.
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Well, clearly Revelation has nothing to do with tripping...snort !

The Dead Sea Scrolls make it clear that drugs (the word is translated as 'angels' for the Roman Empire, lol) were the medium of divine inspiration.
The amanita mushroom looks like an apple when emerging from the soil, before the cap opens, BTW.

But you can't be serious about man guarding "the fruit" from the animals.

Ummm..
"Yes, we do have guards keeping animals (us) away from it."

Guards - police, legislators,the Vatican....
Animals - us
The fruit - psychedelics.

And thus the Rupert Sheldrake video reminding us that globally, throughout history, humans have used and continue to use sacraments (psychedelics) as the foundational spiritual practice.

Back on topic for a moment, , perhaps the fruit and delta blues could make eternal idyll very pleasant...OK, relevance established

The guards (such as the Vatican) try to conceal as well as prevent this basic human truth. Not to mention the military, who discovered in 1966 that trained soldiers on manoeuvres start communing with nature and their own souls when secretly dosed with LSD. That was when The War On Revelation really kicked in....

We actually don't need robots or money. Sshhh ! That's perversion !
And relevance to the thread. Phew.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Sure 'nuff... I do.

Why'd you take it down, was one of 'em you?

Well, clearly Revelation has nothing to do with tripping...snort !

It was one of the examples of proto-Christian sources. And why would John the Divine not be considered as a tripper. Sounds like a perfect candidate. And the Beast is Paul. Sounds like he had his ducks in a row on that at least, not to mention being very proto-Christian.

The Dead Sea Scrolls make it clear that drugs (the word is translated as 'angels' for the Roman Empire, lol) were the medium of divine inspiration.
The amanita mushroom looks like an apple when emerging from the soil, before the cap opens, BTW.

The first I've heard of that. What's the basis for that assertion, that it was being used by them, then? And what word is translated as angels for the Romans?

Ummm..
"Yes, we do have guards keeping animals (us) away from it."

You miss the point. What's to keep animals from consuming it and becoming fully self-aware as we, which was your original point?

And thus the Rupert Sheldrake video reminding us that globally, throughout history, humans have used and continue to use sacraments (psychedelics) as the foundational spiritual practice.

Yeah, like peyote, nightshade or whatever. But what evidence is there for something (anything) like that in Judea at that time, other than doubtful idea that they intentionally mistranslated something as angel, or actually meant mushroom instead of apple? For instance, clinical psychosis would be a much better explanation for Paul.

But what's your point? Is the extract in the mushroom divine or holy? Why should it be considered anything other than a dream inducing compound?

Back on topic for a moment, , perhaps the fruit and delta blues could make eternal idyll very pleasant...OK, relevance established

Breaking news! Drugs and music etc. can make us feel good. Today the mantra is: sex, drugs, rock and roll (to which the blues gave birth). Now that's the original Duh!

The guards (such as the Vatican) try to conceal as well as prevent this basic human truth. Not to mention the military, who discovered in 1966 that trained soldiers on manoeuvres start communing with nature and their own souls when secretly dosed with LSD. That was when The War On Revelation really kicked in....

The "war" on divine revelation really kicked in during the Age of Enlightenment.

We actually don't need robots or money. Sshhh ! That's perversion !
And relevance to the thread. Phew.

I'm definitely detecting perversion. I fear that some of those "guards" might be showing up at your door/cave/tree soon.

 

[Papoon]

Why'd you take it down, was one of 'em you?



It was one of the examples of proto-Christian sources. And why would John the Divine not be considered as a tripper. Sounds like a perfect candidate. And the Beast is Paul. Sounds like he had his ducks in a row on that at least, not to mention being very proto-Christian.


The first I've heard of that. What's the basis for that assertion, that it was being used by them, then? And what word is translated as angels for the Romans?



You miss the point. What's to keep animals from consuming it and becoming fully self-aware as we, which was your original point?



Yeah, like peyote, nightshade or whatever. But what evidence is there for something (anything) like that in Judea at that time, other than doubtful idea that they intentionally mistranslated something as angel, or actually meant mushroom instead of apple? For instance, clinical psychosis would be a much better explanation for Paul.

But what's your point? Is the extract in the mushroom divine or holy? Why should it be considered anything other than a dream inducing compound?


Breaking news! Drugs and music etc. can make us feel good. Today the mantra is: sex, drugs, rock and roll (to which the blues gave birth). Now that's the original Duh!



The "war" on divine revelation really kicked in during the Age of Enlightenment.



I'm definitely detecting perversion. I fear that some of those "guards" might be showing up at your door/cave/tree soon.

Man, so many crazy crossed wires...I'll get back to you and unpack all that tomorrow. Very late here in Oz. Interesting discussion points though. We should kick off a new thread though I think.

Don't worry 'bout the guards. They are mostly brain dead.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Man, so many crazy crossed wires...I'll get back to you and unpack all that tomorrow. Very late here in Oz. Interesting discussion points though. We should kick off a new thread though I think.

Don't worry 'bout the guards. They are mostly brain dead.

Understand, those 'schroom hangovers can be deadly.....so I'm told.

 

[Papoon]

Understand, those 'schroom hangovers can be deadly.....so I'm told.

I've never eaten amanita muscaria. It is a toxic species when raw, it can even be lethal. The ancient methods involved drinking the urine of either another human or a deer which had ingested it. Even then, bufotenine is not a comfy trip. Only for those seeking a particular altered state and prepared to suffer for it.
Read John 4:10 - 13.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I've never eaten amanita muscaria. It is a toxic species when raw, it can even be lethal. The ancient methods involved drinking the urine of either another human or a deer which had ingested it. Even then, bufotenine is not a comfy trip. Only for those seeking a particular altered state and prepared to suffer for it.
Read John 4:10 - 13.

Now you're gonna tell me living water is urine? ....or vodka??? As if we don't have enough problems trying to straighten out history without this.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

It's ALL self-serving hearsay, that's how.

There are many self help books printed and they change or are updated with the passing of time, whereas the Bible is the same yesterday and today.
If the written Word (Scripture - Psalms 119:105 ) was just hearsay it would have died out thousands of years ago.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

There are many self help books printed and they change or are updated with the passing of time, whereas the Bible is the same yesterday and today.
If the written Word (Scripture - Psalms 119:105 ) was just hearsay it would have died out thousands of years ago.

They've added to it, taken away from it (in spite of the curses against it in the Old & New Testaments), it has hundreds of translations, many in opposition to each other including just the ones in the same language. Not to mention the Jewish version of the O/T, or the ones that were buried or destroyed in the purge because the Emperor decided there should be just one. If there is a God, then there truly is only one Word of God:


“It is only in the CREATION that all our ideas and conceptions of a word of God can unite. The Creation speaketh an universal language.... It is an ever-existing original, which every man can read. It cannot be forged; it cannot be counterfeited; it cannot be lost; it cannot be altered; it cannot be suppressed. It does not depend upon the will of man whether it shall be published or not; it publishes itself from one end of the earth to the other. It preaches to all nations and to all worlds; and this Word of God reveals to man all that is necessary for man to know of God.”
--The Age of Reason, by Thomas Paine

More profound words were never spoken

 

[URAVIP2ME]

They've added to it, taken away from it (in spite of the curses against it in the Old & New Testaments), it has hundreds of translations, many in opposition to each other including just the ones in the same language. Not to mention the Jewish version of the O/T, or the ones that were buried or destroyed in the purge because the Emperor decided there should be just one. If there is a God, then there truly is only one Word of God:
“It is only in the CREATION that all our ideas and conceptions of a word of God can unite. The Creation speaketh an universal language.... It is an ever-existing original, which every man can read. It cannot be forged; it cannot be counterfeited; it cannot be lost; it cannot be altered; it cannot be suppressed. It does not depend upon the will of man whether it shall be published or not; it publishes itself from one end of the earth to the other. It preaches to all nations and to all worlds; and this Word of God reveals to man all that is necessary for man to know of God.”
--The Age of Reason, by Thomas Paine
More profound words were never spoken

Yes, creation speaks a universal language - Romans 1:20 - so that makes mankind without excuse.
There is a ' spiritual language ' for all to speak - Zephaniah 3:9 - for God's ' spiritual nation '- 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 2:5
It is the language of religious truth as Jesus taught - John 17:17 - that God's Word (Scripture is religious truth)
That ' spiritual language ' publishes itself from one end of the earth to the other Just as Jesus said it would be done and so it now is - Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8

 

[Papoon]

Now you're gonna tell me living water is urine? ....or vodka??? As if we don't have enough problems trying to straighten out history without this.

You can't straighten it out pal. It's totally bent, LOL.

 

[atanu]

I have an urgent question and hope to get creative answers to this question.

Once science has evolved so far that we have robots to do everything for us, so litteraly everything possible can be done by robots to help humans, a human litleraly doesn't have to do anything anymore and can also 'live forever' by biomechanical means etc.. By that time most of the universe(s) is also explored, wars are over and science can explain virtualy everything (and what is still unexplained could be investigated succesfully quiet fast by the robots). With a little imagination, a situation which could become reality given enough time and resources to humankind.

Now the question is this. Currently a human has 'needs' and 'feelings', he 'needs' to feed to stay alive and has 'feelings' to 'feel' alive. Once the 'super-robots' are in place these 2 basic things that make us human will slowly fade away. First the 'needs' because off course we'll first create enough robots (and make robots that can make new robots etc.) to fullfil all our needs and later our 'feelings' will fade away because once we realize a robot can give us any feeling any time we like. As you see while science evolves, our 'humanity' is 'dying' at that time. Now, what can we do to keep feeling alive and continue to have a reason to live during that era?

You have got it wrong. Kingdoms will wage war on each other using robots etc.

Humanity cannot die.

 

[Papoon]

Now you're gonna tell me living water is urine? ....or vodka??? As if we don't have enough problems trying to straighten out history without this.

I know a psychiatrist who has me do research for him because he doesn't have the time. I educate him about various new developments, mainly nootropics and ampakines.
Yesterday I was telling him about sivambu. Which is the dawn urination.
Most of your serotonin is produced during sleep. (80%). The metabolite of serotonin is 5HIAA. It iis a very effective antidepressant, and mildly psychedelic.
It is a requirement to drink this during certain forms of Tibetan Buddhist training, in some schools. You won't find this mentioned in the books for westerners.
It was used every day by an Indian Prime Minister, Morarji Desai, who was notable for his extraordinarily youthful appearance...
There is more in heaven and earth than in your cynical philosophy o paineful one

Proverbs 5:15
Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well.

FYI - low cerebrospinal levels of 5HIAA correlate with criminal, violent and antisocial behaviour.

People who use MDMA could benefit from this kind of knowledge. MDMA is a potent serotonin agonist. So there are very high levels of 5HIAA in Molly's urine. And...amphetamines are passed unchanged in urine - 75% can be recycled !
More crazy trivia from Papoon.
Papoon for President ! Not Insane !

 

[Papoon]

Humanity cannot die.

Ummm...err...error.
Extrapolation based on fabrication and speculation.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Yes, creation speaks a universal language - Romans 1:20 - so that makes mankind without excuse.
There is a ' spiritual language ' for all to speak - Zephaniah 3:9 - for God's ' spiritual nation '- 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 2:5
It is the language of religious truth as Jesus taught - John 17:17 - that God's Word (Scripture is religious truth)
That ' spiritual language ' publishes itself from one end of the earth to the other Just as Jesus said it would be done and so it now is - Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8

You ignored the most important part, of course: "It cannot be forged; it cannot be counterfeited; it cannot be lost; it cannot be altered; it cannot be suppressed." And why would the Bible have a curse in the N/T and O/T against adding to or taking away from God's Word if it wasn't possible? It reveals its non-divine authors who were attempting to make their word the last word.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You ignored the most important part, of course: "It cannot be forged; it cannot be counterfeited; it cannot be lost; it cannot be altered; it cannot be suppressed." And why would the Bible have a curse in the N/T and O/T against adding to or taking away from God's Word if it wasn't possible? It reveals its non-divine authors who were attempting to make their word the last word.

KJV Bibles for example tried to add on verses but with the passing of time the 'ancient manuscripts which support Bible canon' show KJV put in spurious verses.
For example: Mark chapter 16 ends at verse 8.
The style of writing changes after verse 8
There are No corresponding or parallel verses after verse 8 as there is with the previous verses.
Both Jerome and Eusebius concluded that Mark chapter 16 ended as verse 8.

I recall a TV preacher looking down at his Bible and reading from it.
What was interesting since I was following along with the Bible was that he kept his head down as if he was still reading from the Bible but was adding his own words to the verse.
How many TV preachers twist-and-turn verses so as to get people to send them money. That does Not make the Bible as wrong, but makes them as wrong.
So, sure it is possible for people to try to tamper with the Bible but they end up exposed as wrong and Not the Bible as wrong.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

KJV Bibles for example tried to add on verses but with the passing of time the 'ancient manuscripts which support Bible canon' show KJV put in spurious verses.
For example: Mark chapter 16 ends at verse 8.
The style of writing changes after verse 8
There are No corresponding or parallel verses after verse 8 as there is with the previous verses.
Both Jerome and Eusebius concluded that Mark chapter 16 ended as verse 8.

I recall a TV preacher looking down at his Bible and reading from it.
What was interesting since I was following along with the Bible was that he kept his head down as if he was still reading from the Bible but was adding his own words to the verse.
How many TV preachers twist-and-turn verses so as to get people to send them money. That does Not make the Bible as wrong, but makes them as wrong.
So, sure it is possible for people to try to tamper with the Bible but they end up exposed as wrong and Not the Bible as wrong.

If the Bible is the divinely protected word of God, no error would ever happen--via the way you mention, or by the hand of thousands who've had unfettered access to editing it. The only possible word of God would be as Paine described.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If the Bible is the divinely protected word of God, no error would ever happen--via the way you mention, or by the hand of thousands who've had unfettered access to editing it. The only possible word of God would be as Paine described.

There is a BIG difference between recognizing mistakes that crept into ' copies ' of God's Word and dismissing the whole Bible as fabricated.
If attempted errors were Not allowed, then there would be No need for the advance warning given at Revelation 22:18-19

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

There is a BIG difference between recognizing mistakes that crept into ' copies ' of God's Word and dismissing the whole Bible as fabricated.
If attempted errors were Not allowed, then there would be No need for the advance warning given at Revelation 22:18-19

How are we mere mortals supposed to know which parts are valid and which aren't? The error-makers don't tell us of their "errors", and God certainly doesn't post It's corrections of Facebook or something. Besides, that doesn't address why God couldn't keep his word pure forever, whenever men attempted to insert additions or make subtractions? If errors were not allowed by an omnipresent God, there'd be no need for the warnings at all.

 

[paarsurrey]

We won't live forever. We are destined to die.
Regards

And if we live long in a weak and old-age position, it will not be a boon rather a misfortune. Right?
Regards