Once we live forever

[ThePainefulTruth]

And if live long in a weak and old-age position, it will not be a boon rather a misfortune. Right?
Regards

Arguing with yourself is we?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

How are we mere mortals supposed to know which parts are valid and which aren't? The error-makers don't tell us of their "errors", and God certainly doesn't post It's corrections of Facebook or something. Besides, that doesn't address why God couldn't keep his word pure forever, whenever men attempted to insert additions or make subtractions? If errors were not allowed by an omnipresent God, there'd be no need for the warnings at all.

It is the ancient manuscripts that support Bible canon.
The apocryphal books exclude themselves being out of harmony with the ' 66 ' books of Bible canon.

P.S. God is Not omnipresent -> 1 Kings 8:39; 1 Kings 8:45; 1 Kings 8:49; Isaiah 57:15

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

It is the ancient manuscripts that support Bible canon.
The apocryphal books exclude themselves being out of harmony with the ' 66 ' books of Bible canon.

P.S. God is Not omnipresent -> 1 Kings 8:39; 1 Kings 8:45; 1 Kings 8:49; Isaiah 57:15

Says who, which author(s)? Those could be added, while the opposing view was subtracted, not to mention in any case that they would be nothing but religious hearsay.

 

[DeepShadow]

later our 'feelings' will fade away because once we realize a robot can give us any feeling any time we like.

I was with you right up until this point. Why would robots be able to give us feelings? They might be able to give us chemical reactions in the brain, but we already have plenty of evidence that feelings are more than mere chemical reactions in the brain.

As for your more general question, I believe that as we solve more and more of the planet's problems using technology, we will also develop the technology to look back into the past, and feel a deeper compassion for those who did not have all their problems solved so easily. History, in the form of moment to moment lives of our ancestors, will become our greatest source of inspiration and entertainment. They will have the limitations on their lives that force them to live and feel from moment to moment, even if they do not appreciate what a great gift this is.

We will start out using them as our inspiration, and try to live our lives by their example. But eventually, using the tools of the future, compassion of the present and inspiration of the past, we will find some sort of quantum-science-magic whatnot that will allow us to "rescue" people from the past, at the moment of death, and put them into immortal bodies like the ones we will have. This will become our greatest source of joy, as we reunite them with their families for all eternity.

(In case anyone cares, what I'm proposing here is a variation on Cosmist Transhumanism, much like that proposed by the Mormon Transhumanist Association)

 

[DeepShadow]

I'm not quite sure why having robots do everything is even desirable. I enjoy doing work. I enjoy learning new things and doing new things. The technological utopia you describe sounds like a self-created hell of endless boredom.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that people are still going to do some kinds of work, just for fun. After all, in tests of guaranteed income, the vast majority of people still kept working, even if they could afford to just lay around all day.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Says who, which author(s)? Those could be added, while the opposing view was subtracted, not to mention in any case that they would be nothing but religious hearsay.

The ancient manuscripts remain the same.
The Bible's internal harmony between the corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages shows the agreement among the many Bible writers.
Which Author? - 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says : God.
The Bible writers were God's secretaries, God's penmen.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

The Bible writers were God's secretaries, God's penmen.

With no evidence for that but their word.

 

[Jabar]

If Bible is the word of God, then why does it contain many contradictions? It has been tampered with. The true Christians had the same beliefs as historical Muslims. Bible has been corrupted and you have been blinded by your churches.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

If Bible is the word of God, then why does it contain many contradictions?

Exactly. So we have all that corrupt scripture corrupting Christians, Muslims and Jews, etc. Wouldn't a smart God set it up so we could see through the corruption ourselves--that it makes so much more sense that they were corrupt to begin with?

It has been tampered with. The true Christians had the same beliefs as historical Muslims. Bible has been corrupted and you have been blinded by your churches.

After 2 days, much less 2000 years, those who monitor their feelings and fears with reason would see through the miracles and revelation anyway.

 

[Jabar]

Exactly. So we have all that corrupt scripture corrupting Christians, Muslims and Jews, etc. Wouldn't a smart God set it up so we could see through the corruption ourselves--that it makes so much more sense that they were corrupt to begin with?



After 2 days, much less 2000 years, those who monitor their feelings and fears with reason would see through the miracles and revelation anyway.

If you think the Qur'anic scripture is corrupted you are mistaken.

Firstly, i would like to ask you a question. Have you read the Qur'an?

Secondly, Allah is All-Knowing and is the Wisest obviously. He created us as a test for this life. The Qur'an is the instruction manual for people to get to the Hereafter, and also be successful in the tested life. (Hereafter- Life after Death; Heaven or Hell.)

I would agree it can be corrupted throughout time by peoples interpretation and twisting of reason. However, this is not prevalent in the Qur'an. It remains unchanged, yes it may have translation errors. But primarily it remains unchanged and there is not one error in it whilst the other scriptures contain contradiction and error much.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

If you think the Qur'anic scripture is corrupted you are mistaken.

Which is exactly what all the adherents of all the other revealed religions say. None if it is anything more than 100% unverifiable hearsay.

Firstly, i would like to ask you a question. Have you read the Qur'an?

What does that have to do with anything except, like the Bible, to use it against the believers; because, like the Bible, all its claims to the supernatural and revelation are corrupt hearsay from the beginning. What in the Koran could possibly, reasonably, convince me otherwise. People put their emotional blind faith in hearsay because they want to, and for no other reason.

Secondly, Allah is All-Knowing and is the Wisest obviously. He created us as a test for this life. The Qur'an is the instruction manual for people to get to the Hereafter, and also be successful in the tested life. (Hereafter- Life after Death; Heaven or Hell.)

According to hearsay from Mohammed. You can't show that it's not, so why should I turn my soul over to it, as opposed to any other religion, or my own which equates Truth with God.

I would agree it can be corrupted throughout time by peoples interpretation and twisting of reason. However, this is not prevalent in the Qur'an. It remains unchanged, yes it may have translation errors. But primarily it remains unchanged and there is not one error in it whilst the other scriptures contain contradiction and error much.

One error is enough to negate the whole thing even if it were divinely inspired to begin with.

 

[Jabar]

Which is exactly what all the adherents of all the other revealed religions say. None if it is anything more than 100% unverifiable hearsay.


What does that have to do with anything except, like the Bible, to use it against the believers; because, like the Bible, all its claims to the supernatural and revelation are corrupt hearsay from the beginning. What in the Koran could possibly, reasonably, convince me otherwise. People put their emotional blind faith in hearsay because they want to, and for no other reason.



According to hearsay from Mohammed. You can't show that it's not, so why should I turn my soul over to it, as opposed to any other religion, or my own which equates Truth with God.



One error is enough to negate the whole thing even if it were divinely inspired to begin with.

That does not fall in with the Qur´an, which is why i challenge anyone in here to point out an error.
If you have not read the Qur´an, then stating that it is not divine would not be applicable. As the Qur´an contains a taste of your own medicine (science) evidences to prove its divinity. Let me give you a verse that is approved of modern science:

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

The discovery of the universe expanding has been found in modern times. In 1929, Edwin Hubble, an astronomer at Caltech, made a critical discovery that soon led to scientific answers for these questions: he discovered that the universe is expanding.

In 1929. The Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago. Lets do some math Basically, 2016-1400= 616. So, in the year 616, the Qur'an had this information. This shows divinity.

Now, lets subtract the year it was discovered and the year Qur'an was revealed. 1,929-616= 1,313.

This is a 1,313 years difference. The Qur'an made a discovery that was found in 1929, 1,313 years back in the past. Now tell how this could be possible. There were no telescopes or any way that you could find this out.

This is one ounce of the many evidences i can provide.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

That does not fall in with the Qur´an, which is why i challenge anyone in here to point out an error.
If you have not read the Qur´an, then stating that it is not divine would not be applicable. As the Qur´an contains a taste of your own medicine (science) evidences to prove its divinity. Let me give you a verse that is approved of modern science:

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

The discovery of the universe expanding has been found in modern times. In 1929, Edwin Hubble, an astronomer at Caltech, made a critical discovery that soon led to scientific answers for these questions: he discovered that the universe is expanding.

In 1929. The Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago. Lets do some math Basically, 2016-1400= 616. So, in the year 616, the Qur'an had this information. This shows divinity.

Now, lets subtract the year it was discovered and the year Qur'an was revealed. 1,929-616= 1,313.

This is a 1,313 years difference. The Qur'an made a discovery that was found in 1929, 1,313 years back in the past. Now tell how this could be possible. There were no telescopes or any way that you could find this out.

This is one ounce of the many evidences i can provide.

One, that was certainly just a lucky guess which conveniently couldn't be disproved back then.
Two, it isn't steadily expanding. They've just recently discovered that the expansion is accelerating, with space carrying distant galaxies away from us reaching superluminal speed.
Three, even if it had been right, what good would revealed confirmation have done for all those billions who lived for the intervening 1313 years? Certainly Allah could have come up with something better that would have applied to them. If Allah really wanted to get the word out, why wouldn't he just write "Mohammed Is Right!" on the Moon or something?
Four, even more to the point, why wait for Mohammed (or Jesus, or Moses or whoever) to begin with? Why not just reveal himself to everyone, every year from the dawn of man? No prophet is authentic who claims a totally absent authority--ergo the hearsay and thus no authentic prophets.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If Bible is the word of God, then why does it contain many contradictions? Bible has been corrupted and you have been blinded by your churches.

Rather, the churches have been corrupted by false clergy, Not the Bible - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
Please post one contradiction.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

With no evidence for that but their word.

..... and the Bible's penmen are in harmony with each other.
Unlike other religious books, the Bible throughout has corresponding cross-reference verses and passages showing the internal harmony among its many writers.

 

[Jabar]

Rather, the churches have been corrupted by false clergy, Not the Bible - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
Please post one contradiction.

Both have been


Then tell me this. In the First Kings Ch.No. 15 Verse No.33:
In the third year of Asa king of Judah, Baasha son of Ahijah became king of all Israel in Tirzah, and he reigned twenty-four years.

2nd Chronicles Ch.16 V.1:
In the thirty-sixth year of Asa's reign Baasha king of Israel went up against Judah and fortified Ramah to prevent anyone from leaving or entering the territory of Asa king of Judah.

This is a clear contradiction.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Both have been
Then tell me this. In the First Kings Ch.No. 15 Verse No.33:
In the third year of Asa king of Judah, Baasha son of Ahijah became king of all Israel in Tirzah, and he reigned twenty-four years.
2nd Chronicles Ch.16 V.1:
In the thirty-sixth year of Asa's reign Baasha king of Israel went up against Judah and fortified Ramah to prevent anyone from leaving or entering the territory of Asa king of Judah.
This is a clear contradiction.

Not a clear contradiction according to the Jews. Perhaps a Jewish Rabbi could help all of us understand better.
Jewish quotes from the Seder Olam concluded that the 36th year was reckoned from the existence of the separate kingdom of Judah (997 BCE) and corresponded to the 16th year of Asa
( when Rehoboam was ruling for 17 years )
The Soncino translation books of the Bible has footnotes on that.
Ussher concluded the statement at 2 Chronicles 15:19 to the effect that as for the war it did Not occur down to the 35th, but was actually the 15th year of Asa's reign.
So, the statement at 1 Kings 15:16 was to the effect that warfare itself took place between Asa and Baasha is explained in that once the conflicts began between the two kings they were continuous even as Hanani foretold at 2 Chronicles 16:9.

 

[DeepShadow]

Would anyone like to discuss the OP with me? I find it an interesting topic. Please see my post above on May 1st for my reply to it.