One Of The Reasons I Find It Difficult To Take The Bible Seriously

[InChrist]

That is a poor excuse. If your God has an effect on the Earth his presence should be testable. They reason you do not like testing your God is because tests indicate he is not here.

And how do you propose that Spirit be tested by materialistic science?

 

[InChrist]

The Canaanites were prosperous and successful living in settled communities. They were also involved in mining, metallurgy and pottery making. They paid tribute to Pharaoh .. The Hebrews demonized them.

We have learned a great deal about them since the discovery at Ras Shamra. They spoke the same language as the Hebrews.

Circumcision was not invented by the Hebrews.. Its Egyptian in origin as far as we know. Moses forbid it. Joshua reinstituted the practice after the death of Moses.

So why did the Hebrews demonize them if the Canaanites, if the Hebrews were Canaanites?

 

[leov]

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You are. Seriously, religious books tend to have those sort of defensive verses since the authors were not complete fools and they knew how their beliefs failed. You are guilty of circular reasoning at best.

show me my circular reasoning.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It looks like Homer fully supports it so does Bible. Some people were out of this earlier than other.

What makes you think Homer was any sort of authority in this matter? Simpson or the original Greek, both of them would be fairly clueless about the myths of other cultures.

 

[InChrist]

Apologist sites tend to be lying sites, and you chose one of the worst. If secular people agree you should have no problem finding a reliable source.

I don't see anything that appears to be lies, but the passage I posted makes some good points and asks some valid questions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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to show me my circular reasoning.

You are relying on the Bible to support your beliefs about the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't see anything that appears to be lies, but the passage I posted makes some good points and asks some valid questions.

Then you are a rather poor judge of character A simple test is If they try to defend the Floor myth of obvious failed prophecies. If they can't own up to the obvious flaws in the Bible they are a worthless source.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And how do you propose that Spirit be tested by materialistic science?

It is up to you. You must first define it.

 

[leov]

What makes you think Homer was any sort of authority in this matter? Simpson or the original Greek, both of them would be fairly clueless about the myths of other cultures.

Ignorance is bliss

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ignorance is bliss

So you are claiming to be very happy?

 

[leov]

You are relying on the Bible to support your beliefs about the Bible.

Phony , show me, find it in your humanism - atheism debunking instructions. So standard.

 

[Twilight Hue]

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Lack of consistency among it various translations.


Take the four Bible verses below, which should make any student of the Christian religion tear their hair out in exasperation.


9 different translations of Philippians 3:8, "Because of Christ, I lost all these things, and now I know that they are all worthless trash. . . ."

Substitutes:

Refuse
Garbage
Rubbish
Filth
Worthless
Less than nothing
Manure
Sewer trash
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So, which is it?


10 Different versions of John 14:2 "In My Father’s house are many mansions;"

Substitutes:

Places
Dwellings
Dwelling places.
Room
Room to spare
Rooms
Abodes
Places-to-stay
Homes​

So, which is it?


11 different translations of Isaiah 45:7 ". . .I make peace, and create evil; "

Substitutes:

Disaster
Calamity
Doom
Woe
Sorrow
Trouble(s)
Bad times
Discords
Hard times
​

So, which is it?

12 different translations of Psalm 10:5 "His ways are always grievous;"

Substitutes:

Firm
Prosper
Secure
Twisted
Successful
Succeed
Prosperous
Endure
Well
Defouled
Pain​

So, which is it?


Then there are reference in one Bible that are simply omitted in another. Take Mark 9:46 where the KJV says: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Now, quite a few translations (26) do include references to the worm, but quite a few do not. Their version of Mark 9:46 reads:

CEV
You would be better off to go into life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.

TLB
Better be lame and live forever than have two feet that carry you to hell.

NIRV
It would be better to enter God’s kingdom with only one foot than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.

MSG
You’re better off maimed or lame and alive than the proud owner of two hands and two feet, godless in a furnace of eternal fire.

Phillips
It is better for you to enter life maimed than to keep both your hands and go to the rubbish-heap,​

Other verses also disappear . Take Matthew 18:11 where in the KJV it says “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.” But in some translations the verse is missing altogether , although it may make mention of the verse and its source in a footnote. Translations such as

(CEV) Verse removed
(NIV) Verse removed.
(NWT) Verse removed.
(NCV) Verse removed.
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Personally, any book that has so many inconsistency would be extremely difficult to take seriously no matter what else it has to say. Of course there's always the up side in that a person can choose whatever version best fits one's theology and be comfortable that it's backed up by the Good Book.

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But .....but......

It's all divinely inspired!

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It looks like Homer fully supports it so does Bible. Some people were out of this earlier than other.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[sooda]

So why did the Hebrews demonize them if the Canaanites, if the Hebrews were Canaanites?

Because they were landless and impoverished. Its a pattern .. The Hebrews in Judah demonized their neighbors including Israel to the north.

 

[leov]

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.

May be instead of Googling find time to read Jaynes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Phony , show me, find it in your humanism - atheism debunking instructions. So standard.

What are you asking for? Your post does not appear to make any sense.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.

He appears to have entered the Bible Babble stage.

 

[InChrist]

Then you are a rather poor judge of character A simple test is If they try to defend the Floor myth of obvious failed prophecies. If they can't own up to the obvious flaws in the Bible they are a worthless source.

I disagree. Just because you believe the flood is a myth or you only accept information interpreted through the perspective which denies the flood, does not negate the character or validity of someone or the reliability of a source.

 

[InChrist]

Because they were landless and impoverished. Its a pattern .. The Hebrews in Judah demonized their neighbors including Israel to the north.

Earlier you said you believe the Hebrews were a tribe of Canaanites, so there is no reason they would be anything other than landless and impoverished also or have any reason to demonize the other Canaanites.

 

[InChrist]

It is up to you. You must first define it.

I have already said that God is Spirit and therefore cannot be tested by naturalistic means, but that He must be sought in other ways, so that would be up to you...or not.