Yerda
Veteran Member
I apologise for simplifying, but we are chemicals combining together [interacting]. We do it all day every day.
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One question for Creationists, and another for Evolutionists
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Super Universe
Defender of God
Take all the elements of a cell and put them together into a mixing bowl. Does the cell come to life?
I'm not talking about transferring the DNA of a cell over to one without DNA in it's nucleus or RNA. I'm talking about assembling your own cell.
It doesn't come to life.
Hmm, I wonder why...
I'm not talking about transferring the DNA of a cell over to one without DNA in it's nucleus or RNA. I'm talking about assembling your own cell.
It doesn't come to life.
Hmm, I wonder why...
Yerda
Veteran Member
Take all the elements of a microwave, and put them together in a mixing bowl. Does the microwave work?
Super Universe
Defender of God
Sure, if you assemble the elements in a precise way making sure you follow the Creator's intelligent design.
How many times does it need to be said that random chance is not the only alternative to intelligent design?
camanintx
Well-Known Member
How exactly do you define life? Are bacteria or viruses alive? If not, what characteristics are necessary for life? If you cannot say what life is, how can you say it is not simply chemical reactions?
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
fantôme profane;893081 said:
Neither "Intelligent Design" nor "Random Chance" operate in the slightest as a descriptive model of the universe. Both actually have as their referents purely mental phenomena. And neither functions in the realm of scientific method. "Random" and "intelligent" are relative judgments about how we perceive things.
Agreed.doppelgänger;893140 said:
Super Universe
Defender of God
fantôme profane;893081 said:
Random chance? The universe is a million random chances hitting exactly perfect and all in a precise order.
Super Universe
Defender of God
How do I define life? That which possesses spirit.
Are bacteria or virus' alive? That depends. Bacteria and virus' have the ability to be killed so they are alive until they die.
You give way too much credit to chemicals. It's like praising the oil stuck to Van Gogh's canvas.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
How do you define "spirit"?
Super Universe
Defender of God
You see it when you look into a child's eyes. But then, I guess that has no value to you because you can't weigh or measure it.
Super Universe
Defender of God
doppelgänger;893154 said:
That's a tough one. I don't have nearly enough information to accurately define it but I'll give it a try:
Spirit is activating energy issued from First Source.
I am suggesting that it is not random chance, nor is it intelligent design. It is only your own personal judgment that decides that something is exactly perfect or in a precise order.
Super Universe
Defender of God
fantôme profane;893245 said:
Run everything in reverse all the way back to the big bang.
Not quite the same, is it?
What do you mean by energy?
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
if a virus is alive (because they can die) and we have made artifical virues from scratch. (no added "natural" bits). Then life is pretty much as simple as mixing chemicals.
ta-da... mixing chemicals and you get life.
(now one can argue if a Virus is truely alive.)
wa:do