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Koldo
Outstanding Member
When I talk about something popping into existence or something coming into existence from nothing, I am not saying that one object existed in a place called 'nothing' and then came into existence. That would be indeed quite absurd. What I am saying is that this object had no previous existence, it just suddenly appeared in a given place at a given time. This is, logically speaking, possible, even if we don't agree that something like this happens in our world.
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
What's hereafter like?
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U wanna say it existed but was hidden that's possible
But something that has a beginning can't jumped to existence by itself because when it didn't exist how could a non existent comes to be existed
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No idea. Just i know I should be responsible for what I'm doing.
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
How do you know it lasts for eternity? How do you know it isn't painful?
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This issue is considered as an inter-faith issue so my knowledge is just something that I gained from my religion
Except for gnostic they see the future and even their places in heaven
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
You didn't really answer the question. How do you know that the hereafter
lasts for eternity, and how do you know what it's like?
You realize not all mystics are monotheistic? Or even theistic at all?
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Strange
I told u god in the Qur'an says they last forever and we should go there to know it
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As I told before mysticism has many levels that to some extent unbelievers can reach but after special point they can't go further.
I can't prove it just told what I heard from our gnostics
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
You may have mentioned that to someone else. I'm only following our conversation right now.
I don't believe in any god from the Qur'an. How do you know that book, and what it says about god and the hereafter, is accurate?
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Because it's a miracle itself and says bring 3 verses like me but Noone could do that and our prophet had lots of miracles that are recorded
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Yeah, I particularly love the one about splitting the moon. That is hilarious.
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That's not hilarious at all.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I agree. It was beyond hilarious. And 100% unlikely, therefore fraudulent.
The night journey was almost as funny.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
IMPOSSIBLE, yes. The story is a big fat LIE.
Shad
Veteran Member
Argument from ignorance, shifting burden of proof and false dilemma. The inability to show any idea is wrong does not automatically mean the idea is right. You shift the burden of proof on to others rather than support the primary claim about the Quran It is false dilemma as the all truth claims in the Quran become true solely based creating better poetry. Allah has fallacious reasoning.
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