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Opening the door of Christianity as Anti-Christ!

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
If you remove John, Paul, Simon who all teach as Balaam would and are all clearly referenced in other places as being false, it completely changes the whole Bibles meaning of what Christ came for and to its true meaning; here is a quick look why.
John is most likely the John (Nicholas) Nicodemus, (Nicolaitans)
This appears he records his own account of events, visiting Yeshua and other things that would most certainly only have of been known by someone in his position or a member of the high council that year.
It Includes many private conversations between the Pharisees; in fact the whole context of his gospel is implied that way, of a Pharisee’s perspective on things.
There are points that contradict the other gospels and the main point of causing people to believe Yeshua said points that then contradict the Torah and his own teachings, he clearly didn’t from what we can see from 3 other witnesses.

Paul was a Pharisee, the only person who said he was sent is him self and his own friends.
Removing hankies from your pocket as magic, is a bit amateurish to say the least.
Clearly on many point he contradicts Christ entirely and completely changes the meaning to his own liking or illness, on well over 36 points.
Jeremiah 23 is the best reference of what to look for in any of this, concerning what a fake prophet is.


Simon being labelled stone is a clear sign by Yeshua, that he stood against him not with him.
If they hadn’t changed the name to (jesus) it would also be possible to see that as jeshua in Zechariah is said to have stone laid before him also, it is the same.
Well why would Yeshua name Simon stone and then when saying Judas and Simon will betray me, it says plural and “they” in Greek.
Now given that Yeshua calls Simon Satan and says he has the power to bind as do the Pharisee and then that Simon preaches Balaam teachings (God would sacrifice his own son) to all of Israel sort of implies a stone as written.

Now in Zechariah 11, it foretells that grace and inheritance (in Hebrew) will be cut off, if they pay the 30 pieces of silver and put it in the potters field.
Yeshua reiterated this in the parable of the vine dressers son, that the foolish shepherds will get nothing, which many have taken as just Israel, yet this implies all those who would follow a sacrifice (Basis of Christianity), as he asked I require mercy and not sacrifice, meaning as
Hos 6:6 for I desired mercy and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Well Judas did that to the letter and along with the 3 foolish shepherds and they did re-establish under the banner of Christianity.
which doesn’t follow Christ, yet the 3 above who are clearly in direct violation of what a prophet is and should do; plus the law of the Torah in many places and being foretold to do that, only confirms God is in complete control of events in time.

Now in 1977 they also released the extra books of Maccabees that explain reasoning, and a person by the name of Simon, went to Rome, told how there was gold hidden in Israel and so Rome robbed it; then under sentence of death force fed wine and forbidden meat, named as the abomination of desolation.
So when we have a similar Simon in Acts who also encouraged the eating of meat (communion is also false under what Christ said him self)?
Then maybe the picture we have been presented with since the Bible was canonized is not the truth and in fact the Bible foretells this in the old testament.

Mohammed’s main point was this that the Bible had been changed, agreed!
I doubt if it was all fixed we would have so many wars and fighting over religions.
It does help having a full revised copy released in 1977, to fill in many gaps also, like the abomination of desolation having already taken place.


Anyways that is a brief introduction and will fill in all missing gaps with scriptures prophecy and to the letter in so many places, the Bible makes far more sense like that and appears that is what is meant.
Some of this will take E-Sword to get the extra Greek and Hebrew translations for references.

This is not to attack Yeshua, yet to fix the books and replace what was taken, return his true meaning to him.
Please forgive scripture references to begin and I know I could take each point separately, yet when all are as one thing, the Pharisees and teaching of Balaam then this needs to be approached as a court case would, and so that is the brief.
If you defend the Pharisee then you don’t stand for Christ, this is intended as we are in defence of Christ and what the Bible means without Pharisees.
Please ask if anything you are unsure on :) :angel2: there are a lot of Articles on our site and have been working on this allot to explain it all over the last 3/4 years.
 

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
So, basically what you're saying is that god couldn't prevent people from screwing with the bible and completely changing the meaning of the text, and now he's relying on you to fix it?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
No, in fact far from it, God foretells it through the prophets, some good references are Zechariah 11 with the potters field, Habakkuk 2, Isaiah 53, yet depends if you look at it with out first taking the Pharisee parts out of the way and look at them as the guilty parties.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I have no religion so nope, just follow one true Good. :)
Have also studied loads on this subject to notice these things and just feel responsible about telling the world as no one seems to have notice any of these points, well some.
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
Zan:

If you could sum it up in a single sentence, what would you say is the thing these Pharisees taught that was Anti-Christ?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
You can not say God would sacrifice his own son, that is Balaam teachings.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
wizanda said:
You can not say God would sacrifice his own son, that is Balaam teachings.

Would you like to point out where it says that? Jehovah asks Abraham to do it.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Mic 6:5-7
(5) O my people, remember now what Balak king of Moab consulted, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him from ****tim unto Gilgal; that ye may know the righteousness of the LORD.
(6) Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?
(7) Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
Another 6:6 we doing well :angel2:
 

MaddLlama

Obstructor of justice
So, then how do you account for Abraham and his son, and the death of Jesus? Was that an "oops!"?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Zechariah 11 states that they will kill him for a price of 30 pieces of silver, which they did, that was sign of inheritance and grace to be cut off.
Which soon after took place in the abomination of desolation; where most of Israel ran off; as if you think about it they lost their whole nation soon after, so loosing grace.

God did not send Christ as a sacrifice, a price or test possibly, yes...
Christ said he didn't come as a sacrifice (“woe to you who build the temples of the dead prophets, as you are as guilty as your forefathers”; plus all of Matthew 23 is clear also) and so to say he did is what I mean by most of Christianity is anti-Christ, as him asking for mercy and not sacrifice was about him self not being sacrificed.
The points in the parable of the vine dresser are quite clear, they planned to kill the vine dressers son, being him self.

The only thing that makes it strange is that most people have been taught to believe John, Paul, Simon as truth.
yet if you remove them there is nothing stating it that he was a sacrifice and what is generally believed.
 

Random

Well-Known Member
I do not know what to make of this OP. Jesus is shown in the Gospels opposing the Pharisees as "hypocrites" and his saying that He was the "Son of God/Man" refers both to Daniel and his own mystical hypostasis as divine nature incarnate. Sure, because he said these misunderstood (@ the time) things He was targetted as a blasphemer, but thats what happens when you threaten the establishment as Yeshua did.

Before I knew what it meant, I used to think that Jesus saying He "...came not to bring peace, but the sword" was a disturbing and possibly evil thing. But once one rises from the slumber of ones own ignorance, especially in regard to Christianity, the picture changes and the content morphs considerably.

I should like a summation of the point the OP wishes to make. That would be helpful.
 

TrubbleMaker

New Member
**** revving the engine to drive my truck through the holes in Wizanda's comments, but wondering if I can really be bothered **** :slap:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
The way I see that part now of why he came to bring the sword….

Like you clearly say he stood against the Pharisee teachings, also Levites (lawyers) Sadducees and the sects at the time.

According to Zechariah 11, three sects were due to be cut off, yet one re-establishes.

Now Yeshua knew that bit, and also that this may require his death or not, you see the prophecy Yeshua was working to, is as a test, and so indeed he fetches the sword of division to the whole house of Israel, if they pay the pieces of silver.


The Bible doesn't stand behind his sacrifice and that is where the Pharisees are and many people would rather follow, so indeed there is a massive divided.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
MaddLlama said:
So, basically what you're saying is that god couldn't prevent people from screwing with the bible and completely changing the meaning of the text, and now he's relying on you to fix it?

It appears that god can't do anything. he seems to be a little clueless or powerless of that which he created. from the very beginning he didn't even know where his creation was in the garden nor did he know what they did. he didn't even know who told them to do what they did. countes areas in the bible his creation did something "disagreeable" go punished them. now this doesn't sound like a god that knew what was going to happen before it did.

why are we striving to be in gods' good graces if this god has already knows and determined our outcome?
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
When "Christianity" is about approaching the world in terms of "right" belief and "wrong" belief, or allows the divisions we create in our minds to get in the way of seeing Christ in everyone, then it is Anti-Christian, and metaphorically Pharisaic.

The wise man loves, so he listens. The fool loves his words, so he talks.
 

Bick

Member
wizanda said:
Zechariah 11 states that they will kill him for a price of 30 pieces of silver, which they did, that was sign of inheritance and grace to be cut off.
Which soon after took place in the abomination of desolation; where most of Israel ran off; as if you think about it they lost their whole nation soon after, so loosing grace.

God did not send Christ as a sacrifice, a price or test possibly, yes...
Christ said he didn't come as a sacrifice (“woe to you who build the temples of the dead prophets, as you are as guilty as your forefathers”; plus all of Matthew 23 is clear also) and so to say he did is what I mean by most of Christianity is anti-Christ, as him asking for mercy and not sacrifice was about him self not being sacrificed.
The points in the parable of the vine dresser are quite clear, they planned to kill the vine dressers son, being him self.

The only thing that makes it strange is that most people have been taught to believe John, Paul, Simon as truth.
yet if you remove them there is nothing stating it that he was a sacrifice and what is generally believed.

MY COMMENTS: wizanda, anyone can pull verses here and there from the Bible, and make something of it that doesn't fit the contexts. Your ideas remind me of that old quote, "If one takes a text out of the context, he can make it a pretext."

As for Jesus not coming as a sacrifice, let's look at some verses:
Matt. 16:22 "As they were gathering in Galilee, Jesus said to them, 'The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into human hands, and they will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised.' And they were greatly distressed."
Matt. 26:1,2 "When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 'You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified.'"
When Jesus was in the garden, he prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me; yet not what I want, but what you want" (Matt. 26:39). Jesus knew his betrayal and crucification was imminent, and he prayed that it might not be, yet, it was the will of his Father and as an obedient son, he carried it through.

You have eliminated in your thinking the writings of John, Paul and Simon, obviously because they write of the foreknown sacrifice of Christ.

Let's look at Hebrews 2:5-10, RSV,
"For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. It has been testified somewhere, ' What is man that thou art mindful of him, or the son of man, that thou carest for him? Thou didst make him for a little while lower than the angels, thou hast crowned him with glory and honor, putting everything in subjection under his feet.'
"Now in putting everything in subjection to man, he left nothing outside his control. As it is, we do not see everything in subjection to him. But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone."

God's grace hasn't ended. Because of Christ's death, by God's grace, life is extended to everyone.

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