Oppression of progress

[McBell]

Religious people (especially Christians) do you believe that it is God's will for the progress of mankind to be slowed and halted by religion, as it has been both through history (Galileo's house arrest, La Purga, Copernicus etc) and today (genetic engineering etc)? Just a thought.

Is it not rather interesting how Christians will do all manner of things claiming it is the will of their god?
I mean, if their god is all powerful, why do they have to step in and actually do everything they claim their god wants done?

 

[micrurus]

Is it not rather interesting how Christians will do all manner of things claiming it is the will of their god?
I mean, if their god is all powerful, why do they have to step in and actually do everything they claim their god wants done?

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Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. ~Seneca the Younger[/FONT]

 

[waitasec]

Is it not rather interesting how Christians will do all manner of things claiming it is the will of their god?
I mean, if their god is all powerful, why do they have to step in and actually do everything they claim their god wants done?

:bow:
excellent point there captain!!!

 

[outhouse]

what i find pathetic is that religion flat trys to take down science at every level even in modern times. They are still trying to take down intellegence and knowledge today because reality and knowledge go against the 3000 year old sheep herders guide to become superstitious

And if we go after there flase belief's they get so bent out of shape and we are labeled as evil with no morals.

now science does not lift a finger to go after religion, the bible itself does enough damage

My thought and and im not alone is,,, it is time to go after the bible and make the fiction known for what it is to every school child there is. Lets stop this barbaric superstition that try's to stop progress and knowledge.

think this is wrong? just last month the last state finaly won the right to teach evolution and the last loophole was closed. This means that in this time creation was still being taught in the USA to children. Can you believe it!!! pseudoscience in 2010 was still dumbing up our inoccent children. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

all my opinion

 

[Riverwolf]

if you knew that then you should also know....

By 1616 the attacks on the ideas of Copernicus had reached a head, and Galileo went to Rome to try to persuade the Catholic Church authorities not to ban Copernicus' ideas. In the end, Cardinal Bellarmine, acting on directives from the Inquisition, delivered him an order not to "hold or defend" the idea that the Earth moves and the Sun stands still at the centre.

-wiki

But Copernicus lived over a century before that. Were his ideas attacked while he was alive?

 

[waitasec]

But Copernicus lived over a century before that. Were his ideas attacked while he was alive?

it seems they were met with a sense of tension
you might find this article interesting...

Religious Objections to Copernicus

edit: here's something more of interest

Copernicus did not suffer much persecution, if any, while he was alive, but his name and reputation suffered a beating after his death until it was proven right by Galileo and his new invention, the telescope. The pope did not like Copernicus' far-fetched idea, and even John Calvin and Martin Luther thought it was foolish and spoke out against it. Basically, people back then, although they loved to learn, were not very open to new ideas. Feeling pressure, the Catholic Church placed Copernicus' book on the forbidden list and banned its teachings in about 1650. The ban wasn't released until 1822

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_copernicus_persucuted_by_the_church#ixzz1AJ9k49CZ

 

[waitasec]

btw riverwolf, thank you for bringing this up...

 

[Riverwolf]

it seems they were met with a sense of tension
you might find this article interesting...

Religious Objections to Copernicus

edit: here's something more of interest

Copernicus did not suffer much persecution, if any, while he was alive, but his name and reputation suffered a beating after his death until it was proven right by Galileo and his new invention, the telescope. The pope did not like Copernicus' far-fetched idea, and even John Calvin and Martin Luther thought it was foolish and spoke out against it. Basically, people back then, although they loved to learn, were not very open to new ideas. Feeling pressure, the Catholic Church placed Copernicus' book on the forbidden list and banned its teachings in about 1650. The ban wasn't released until 1822

Read more: Answers.com - Was copernicus persucuted by the church

Very interesting, indeed. Guess that's why the book I read was not a history book, but a science book with a section on the history of cosmology. ^_^ (Which, of course, failed to even mention the achievements of cultures other than European ones. )

btw riverwolf, thank you for bringing this up...

No problem.

 

[conrad beckman]

Don't you think religious outcry and opposition to things like genetic engineering, abortion(although largely failed) and the campaigns to teach creationism as fact (Fortunately only in America, as far as I know) are religious attempts to slow and halt both intellectual and technological progress?

Any attempts to halt man' progress has had little or no affect on Society, and in many cases has done the opposite. God did not rest on the seventh day but is working still - using genetics to improve what he has done. Science is merely a tool to better understand how he created us.

 

[micrurus]

Any attempts to halt man' progress has had little or no affect on Society, and in many cases has done the opposite. God did not rest on the seventh day but is working still - using genetics to improve what he has done. Science is merely a tool to better understand how he created us.

this thread is on what religion did to slow the progress of mankind. not on what god did.
because we can atleast know what religion did and that it exists.
while god could just as easily be some ones imaginary friend.