Oregon school to make condoms available to 6th graders

[Skwim]

"An Oregon school district will allow teachers to hand out condoms to sixth-grade students in the fall.

Students in grades sixth through 12 in the Gervais School District will be allowed condoms if they ask a teacher.

The plan to dole out condoms to students came after a study from the Oregon Health and Science University last year that found that 7 percent of girls at Gervais High School got pregnant. This year alone nine girls in the school district got pregnant.

Sixth-graders were included due to logistics.
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Gotta wonder what kind of coercive logistics these could be.

 

[kashmir]

When I was in sixth grade we were not having sex.
This is getting ridiculously over complicated to give them condoms, instead of actually tackling the real problems.

To me, that is like giving kids who refuse to study, cheat sheets.

Instead of teaching, we just take the easy route...
"here yah go, have fun"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Gotta wonder what kind of coercive logistics these could be.

What do you mean?:areyoucra

I just took this to mean that in that area, middle schools cover grades 6, 7 & 8, so if they have them available at the nurse's office or wherever, any student would be able to get them.

It sounds like you were thinking something sinister is going on; what did you think the situation is?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

When I was in sixth grade we were not having sex.
This is getting ridiculously over complicated to give them condoms, instead of actually tackling the real problems.

To me, that is like giving kids who refuse to study, cheat sheets.

Instead of teaching, we just take the easy route...
"here yah go, have fun"

Ironic, considering condoms do a better job of preventing teen pregnancy than abstinence-only education.

 

[BSM1]

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"An Oregon school district will allow teachers to hand out condoms to sixth-grade students in the fall.

Students in grades sixth through 12 in the Gervais School District will be allowed condoms if they ask a teacher.

The plan to dole out condoms to students came after a study from the Oregon Health and Science University last year that found that 7 percent of girls at Gervais High School got pregnant. This year alone nine girls in the school district got pregnant.

Sixth-graders were included due to logistics.
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Gotta wonder what kind of coercive logistics these could be.

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Maybe they should offer vasectomies, too.

 

[kashmir]

Ironic, considering condoms do a better job of preventing teen pregnancy than abstinence-only education.

No, I have a thread about this with the data.
Less kids are having sex because of the abstinence being a choice.
Less kids are getting preg because of having contraceptives.
STD's are on the huge rise because kids are not using condoms ,because the girls are on the pill.

People need to get that abstinence-only education out of their heads when others try to debate this, I never said a thing about abstinence-only education.
I am saying the education itself is completely flawed if STDS among kids are higher than adults.
1-5 kids get an STD, that is unacceptable.
Some schools are even higher, forget which one, but its way out of wack.
Has nothing what so ever to do with abstinence-only education.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Maybe they should offer vasectomies, too.

Or maybe sew up vaginas, if we're thinking up ludicrous ideas that undermine autonomy.

No, I have a thread about this with the data.
Less kids are having sex because of the abstinence being a choice.
Less kids are getting preg because of having contraceptives.
STD's are on the huge rise because kids are not using condoms ,because the girls are on the pill.

People need to get that abstinence-only education out of their heads when others try to debate this, I never said a thing about abstinence-only education.
I am saying the education itself is completely flawed if STDS among kids are higher than adults.
1-5 kids get an STD, that is unacceptable.
Some schools are even higher, forget which one, but its way out of wack.
Have nothing what so ever to do with abstinence-only education.

Then what's your problem with offering contraceptives as expressed in this thread?

 

[kashmir]

Or maybe sew up vaginas, if we're thinking up ludicrous ideas that undermine autonomy.


...you really have your head in the sand, don'cha?

Personal attacks instead of actually discussing what I said?
So the data means nothing to you?
Odd that I am the one with my head in the sand

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Personal attacks instead of actually discussing what I said?
So the data means nothing to you?
Odd that I am the one with my head in the sand

I misread and corrected my statement with a question. Giving out condoms is a method of reducing teen pregnancy. Obviously education can also help this, but without access to contraceptives the odds of education alone working are minimal. So what's the problem with distributing condoms?

EDIT: I would wager the STDs are gained by oral sex, which would be the ideal choice when faced with lack of contraceptives.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well. It seem like a step in the right direction if the girls are actually getting pregnant there. If anything, it illustrates responsibility and awareness and provides a degree of levity.

"Hey teach! Got some condoms you can spare?"

 

[kashmir]

Well. It seem like a step in the right direction if the girls are actually getting pregnant there. If anything, it illustrates responsibility and awareness and provides a degree of levity.

"Hey teach! Got some condoms you can spare?"

It looks good on paper no doubt.
But something isn't quite right if STD's are a huge issue with kids today.
That is all I am trying to say, that seems to be going right over other peoples heads, and result in one personal attack already that deemed the ignore feature.
sick of being personally attacked by know it alls who cant even debate the subject.

 

[Skwim]

What do you mean?:areyoucra

The reason given for making condoms available to sixth graders was that the logistics of the situation, whatever they are, compelled them to do so.

"Sixth-graders were included due to logistics."
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And I can't imagine what such compelling logistics could be. Can you?

I just took this to mean that in that area, middle schools cover grades 6, 7 & 8, so if they have them available at the nurse's office or wherever, any student would be able to get them.

Not if the nurse or whoever had an ounce of brain in their head. How much smarts does it take to verify the grade of a student? If you read the article you'll see that there's no bowl full of condoms there for the taking. The kids have to meet with a sex-ed teacher or a counselor before receiving any condoms.

 

[kashmir]

If you read the article you'll see that there's no bowl full of condoms there for the taking. The kids have to meet with a sex-ed teacher or a counselor before receiving any condoms.

Thank god for that, I didn't read the article either, just assumed they were passing them out like candy.

I think if I had kids, I would forbid the counselor to give them condoms.
That would be my choice and my teaching of them.
The schools can teach them math and stuff, I will teach them how to respect their bodies and bet my kids wont be getting pregnant, get STD's and my sons wouldn't be bullying girls into having sex with them either.
From what i read, that is a huge issue.
"everyone else is doing it, come on, what are you, a freak? everyone has sex"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not if the nurse or whoever had an ounce of brain in their head. How much smarts does it take to verify the grade of a student? If you read the article you'll see that there's no bowl full of condoms there for the taking. The kids have to meet with a sex-ed teacher or a counselor before receiving any condoms.

So you think that a nurse "who had an ounce of brain in their head" who has condoms available for distribution would deny those condoms to a sexually active 6th grade student?

I don't think that sex at that young an age is a good idea, but I think that pregnancy or STDs at that young an age are an even worse idea.

Why do you think school staff should encourage sexually active sixth graders to have their sex unprotected?

 

[kashmir]

So you think that a nurse "who had an ounce of brain in their head" who has condoms available for distribution would deny those condoms to a sexually active 6th grade student?

I don't think that sex at that young an age is a good idea, but I think that pregnancy or STDs at that young an age are an even worse idea.

Why do you think school staff should encourage sexually active sixth graders to have their sex unprotected?

would you give your sixth grade daughter condoms?
Just wondering

personally, i cant see how my sixth grade daughter would even find a way to have sex, unless she skipped school.
She wouldnt be allowed that much freedom after school, like some parents allow.

"hey wheres tina?"
"No idea, I think she is over marys, or maybe at the mall, no clue really"
"maybe she is smoking crack with some older boy?"
"who knows?"

Not this guy.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

would you give your sixth grade daughter condoms?
Just wondering

Would you want your sixth grade daughter pregnant? Just wondering.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Well, while they are giving condoms to 6th graders shouldn't they be giving them to prison inmates to make male gang rape more friendly and less AIDS orientated?

Why not start offering castrations to the kids if they are giving them condoms. Ya gotta learn how to attack the problem at it's source. Also vaginal soldering may help also
We might as well help the government with more insane ideas while it is stooping for the lowest bits in the barrel

 

[Skwim]

So you think that a nurse "who had an ounce of brain in their head" who has condoms available for distribution would deny those condoms to a sexually active 6th grade student?

In the situation where sixth graders are not included among those for whom condoms are available, YES.

Why do you think school staff should encourage sexually active sixth graders to have their sex unprotected?

Why do you think I do? My only issue is the logistics involved in including sixth graders. What the heck could they be?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In the situation where sixth graders are not included among those for whom condoms are available, YES.

Why do you think I do? My only issue is the logistics involved in including sixth graders. What the heck could they be?

Let's set aside your hangup with the word "logistics" in the article and get to the root issues here:

- while it's better that sixth graders not have sex, it's worse that they have unprotected sex than protected sex.

- since this program is in the schools anyway, there's virtually no extra cost or effort involved in extending it to sixth graders.

- sexual activity among sixth-graders is a problem. What we're talking about here is a program where sexually active sixth-graders will identify themselves to trained staff. This is the first step in learning about the underlying issues (e.g. being coerced by an older boyfriend, unhealthy attention-seeking behaviour, misunderstandings of healthy age-appropriate relationships, etc.) and taking action on them. If the school just puts out a blanket statement saying "no condoms for sixth-graders", the kids with these problems will remain unidentified and their problems will remain unaddressed.

 

[Amechania]

Most kids in Oregon middle schools are like nineteen anyway.