Origin of the Bible (Branch Thread)

[ElishaElijah]

If Jesus is too intemperate or too stupid to notice that, it puts him in the class of someone who tries to bash traffic cops because he doesn't like the traffic laws, no? Either way, plain as day his action was unjust and unlawful, and if he actually wanted to change the practice, entirely misconceived.

Wow man, haven’t heard anyone disrespect Jesus Christ like this before, not even the demons do that.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

 

[ElishaElijah]

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No surprises here

 

[blü 2]

World famous and very rich? Wonder where that kind of thinking originates?

It's a little humor to underline the problem that God is not found in reality, only as a concept or thing imagined in an individual brain. But if you can demonstrate (as distinct from assert) that's wrong and that God is real, has objective existence, then you will indeed incur fame and, with a tad of common sense, riches. Part of the problem is that no one knows what a real god actually is, such that if we found a real suspect we could determine whether it was God or not.

And you’re opinion and view is still wrong no matter how many times you say it. It’s like saying the owner of the place doesn’t have the authority. They were hirelings.

Jesus didn't own the Temple.

And once again, even if he did, his quarrel was with the folk who administered the Temple, not the moneymen going lawfully about their business.

I take it from your defense of Jesus that you, like him, approve of violence as a proper way of expressing being offended? I don't.

 

[blü 2]

Wow man, haven’t heard anyone disrespect Jesus Christ like this before, not even the demons do that.

So you DO approve of arbitrary violence.

I'll bear it in mind. Good to have these things cleared up.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So you DO approve of arbitrary violence.

I'll bear it in mind. Good to have these things cleared up.

I hate violence, but unfortunately it’s necessary sometimes.

 

[blü 2]

I hate violence, but unfortunately it’s necessary sometimes.

Especially, I take it, when Jesus does it to people who've done nothing wrong according to law. Wow, did that guy ever have an off-day from loving his neighbor! Let's hope his God forgives him.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Maybe he finally got that fig

 

[Riders]

Firstly, I'm not an Atheist. Try again.

Secondly, "slowly forming" and "changing dramatically" is both contradictory, and nothing of what I've said here. Also try again.

The facts of church history regarding the formation of the Biblical Canon have well recorded history. The Council of Nicaea did set that canon, and chose from all available Early Christian texts what they felt conveyed their message best. If you have evidence to the contrary, bring it to the table. But thinly-veiled ad hominem is not that.

Constantine was in cahoots with PAgans, right?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Constantine was raised in Roman paganism, but later in his life favored Christianity enough to make it the State Religion, playing a pivotal role in the Edict of Milan in 10,312, which legally protected Christianity from intolerance in the Roman Empire.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Especially, I take it, when Jesus does it to people who've done nothing wrong according to law. Wow, did that guy ever have an off-day from loving his neighbor! Let's hope his God forgives him.

Seems like you have sympathy for the thieves who were taking advantage of people. Interesting to see where your alliances and values are. Then you insinuate Jesus who never sinned needs forgiveness…Yet kicked out the thieves and healed the sick and you’re upset about it.

 

[blü 2]

Seems like you have sympathy for the thieves who were taking advantage of people. Interesting to see where your alliances and values are.

My alliances and values are with law and order. Taking a whip to an honest trader who anyway couldn't change the system if he wanted to is brainless self-indulgent aggro.

Then you insinuate Jesus who never sinned needs forgiveness

You're the one pretending he never sinned.

And tell me, did he ever compensate the owner of the Gadarene swine?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You're the one pretending he never sinned.

“Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
“Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭3:4-5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Jesus Christ never sinned yet you and I have, then you’ve set yourself up as judge of the King of Kings. I my opinion that’s more arrogant and prideful than Satan himself.

 

[ElishaElijah]

My alliances and values are with law and order. Taking a whip to an honest trader who anyway couldn't change the system if he wanted to is brainless self-indulgent aggro.

Thieves are honest now in your view, ok man.

 

[blü 2]

Thieves are honest now in your view, ok man.

But of course in reality they weren't thieves.

And in reality they didn't set up the system and they couldn't change the system, so Jesus could accomplish nothing by assaulting them.

Why do you never address that point, by the way?

 

[ElishaElijah]

But of course in reality they weren't thieves.

And in reality they didn't set up the system and they couldn't change the system, so Jesus could accomplish nothing by assaulting them.

Why do you never address that point, by the way?

The Bible already did, they were thieves and robbers, obviously dealing dishonestly. Are you trying to blame the system now?

 

[blü 2]

The Bible already did, they were thieves and robbers, obviously dealing dishonestly. Are you trying to blame the system now?

No, I'm blaming you for dodging the question yet again.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, I'm blaming you for dodging the question yet again.

Dodging what question? They were thieves and robbers, taking advantage of people. Wasn’t a house of prayer like it was supposed to be. After Jesus showed up and kicked out the robbers, He healed the sick. Sorry you have a problem with the way Jesus dealt with those people. I don’t. Only the corrupt people had a problem, the ones you’re siding with.

 

[blü 2]

Dodging what question? They were thieves and robbers, taking advantage of people.

No, they were trading well within the law.

And once again you dodge the point that whether they were thieves and robbers or not, they weren't the ones responsible for their situation, but were there by the wish and permission of the Temple authorities.

If Jesus didn't like the moneychanging, his argument was with the Temple authorities, not with the merchants. Bashing them could not and did not alter anything.

As you know, because you avoid addressing the point.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, they were trading well within the law.

And once again you dodge the point that whether they were thieves and robbers or not, they weren't the ones responsible for their situation, but were there by the wish and permission of the Temple authorities.

If Jesus didn't like the moneychanging, his argument was with the Temple authorities, not with the merchants. Bashing them could not and did not alter anything.

As you know, because you avoid addressing the point.

You’re assumption is that they were honest, they weren’t and that’s why they were called den of thieves and robbers. See you don’t know and The Son has the authority, it’s the Father’s house and his, which you continue to ignore. The merchants were thieves and robbers. Can’t you see that?
It sure did change things, people got healed.