Subduction Zone
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Good, now you see how bad your argument was.
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Overturning Roe V Wade
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Trailblazer
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My father owned land and a rustic cabin which was accessible only by boat on Weslemkoon Lake, about 150 miles northeast of Toronto. We drove up there from Indiana every summer and spent the summer there, until he passed away when I was 12. I really miss that lake.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I have no idea what argument you are referring to.
GardenLady
Active Member
I don't find this comparison logical. Viagra is a drug to treat a medical dysfunction. Abortion does not treat a medical dysfunction in the great majority of cases. Of course there are cases of a maternal or fetal medical problem, but that doesn't account for the majority of abortions.
Tangentially, the majority of abortions happen before medical complications can start. If I got pregnant it would be high risk from the get go, and I would get an abortion right away.
But just one always fatal condition, ectopic pregnany, accounts for 100,000 abortions (1 in 50 pregnancies). Let alone gestational complications, pre-existing heart and cardiovascular risks, or mental health risks where rapidly changing hormones is super dangerous.
The bans also often include abortificents used in hormone treatment, such as IUD.
GardenLady
Active Member
I'm not arguing in favor of overturning Roe or outlawing IUDs. I'm just noting the difference between a medication for a medical dysfunction and a medical procedure often not associated with a medical dysfunction.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
People who get abortions usually have very good reasons for getting them. They may not be good enough reasons for you, but then you are not the one getting an abortion. The Bible is more pro-abortion than it is anti-abortion. One has to do some rather wild gyrations to defend an antiabortion stance using the Bible.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Do you know that the quote function allows you to backtrack a discussion?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
One does not have to do any wild gyrations to defend an antiabortion stance using the Bible.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I tend not to listen to videos from dishonest and biased sources. What justifications did they use? Here is one easy check. There is a verse abused by prolifers way too often. Did they use Exodus 21 21? That is actually a pro-abortion verse whose interpretation in many Bibles was changed after Roe v Wade. And I am absolutely sure that they ignored the test of an unfaithful wife. They probably used the verse of "God knew him in the womb". Guess, what? He Knew some people before they were conceived. It is just poetic writing and no more.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, all I know is that the UP arrow allows me to toggle back to a previous post.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Take a look. It is only a little over 5 minutes. There were some things in the video that I did not know....
Of course one can use the Bible to support or oppose just about anything by cherry picking verses and interpreting them to suit one's position.
That is what Christians normally do.
I wonder, is birth control (the pill) similarly covered by US health insurance?
I mean that is used to treat all manner of maladies in a woman.
Just curious
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Nah, church babes love their shoes.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Sadly, Trump is more rational than DeSantis, who has lots of support. DeSantis won't brag about grabbing the "P" though.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
No kidding! A friend of mine used to live around there. It's quite beautiful. Small world.
I'm sorry to hear your father passed away when you were only 12.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
It wasn't meant to be a comparison, really, just some musings on the American health insurance system.
Abortion is a medical procedure. And there are a ton of pregnancy complications that can arise that could make one necessary or preferred. I leave that up to the pregnant people to decide for themselves, whatever the reason.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Now that's a good question. I seem to remember a lot of conservative types complaining a while back about having to pay for other peoples' birth control or something ...
Hmm. Well if viagra is to be paid for through taxes (I assume that’s how it works in the States for things covered by health insurance) it’s only fair if the birth control pill and indeed IUDs are as well. Since they are forms of medication that can and are prescribed by doctors for various maladies. If not, well there’s a gift wrapped political campaign if ever I saw one lol
(Also folks might want to look into stocking up and getting prescriptions from sympathetic doctors in the near future, if Roe is indeed overturned. Just saying.)
Well, there it is: Governor Pete Ricketts (R) of Nebraska has publicly stated that a woman who has been made pregnant while being raped should be forced to carry the "baby" to term. And that it is his intention, should SCOTUS overturn Roe, to enact just such a law.
She doesn't count at all, there's no punishment too great for women who have somehow been the cause of their own misfortune. She probably brought it on herself anyway, like maybe she wasn't wearing a burka -- or chaps or whatever they're supposed to wear in Nebraska.
To me, this gives more substance to my suspicion that often, women really aren't seen by conservatives as being much more than baby ovens and feeders.
She doesn't count at all, there's no punishment too great for women who have somehow been the cause of their own misfortune. She probably brought it on herself anyway, like maybe she wasn't wearing a burka -- or chaps or whatever they're supposed to wear in Nebraska.
To me, this gives more substance to my suspicion that often, women really aren't seen by conservatives as being much more than baby ovens and feeders.