Paging Hezbollah ...

[Jayhawker Soule]

Your what-about-ism, is noted.

Don't be childish.

Whataboutism can provide necessary context into whether or not a particular line of critique is relevant or fair, and behavior that may be imperfect by international standards may be appropriate in a given geopolitical neighborhood.[7] Accusing an interlocutor of whataboutism can also in itself be manipulative and serve the motive of discrediting, as critical talking points can be used selectively and purposefully even as the starting point of the conversation (cf. agenda setting, framing, framing effect, priming, cherry picking). [source]​

Using terrorism against terrorists is not fighting the good fight.
It's just being a terrorist yourself.

Your disgusting willingness to equate a targeted attack on a terrorist organization intended to destabilize and demoralize that organization, to indiscriminate and ongoing attacks targeting civilian population centers and intended to terrorizes and demoralizes that population, reduces you to little more than an apologist for such organizations.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your disgusting willingness to equate a targeted attack on a terrorist organization intended to destabilize and demoralize that organization....

It's disgusting that your posts condone indiscriminate attacks
on not just Hamas, but also bystanders & other users of pagers
& walkie talkies. Moreover, Israel's attacks are designed to maim
the users & bystanders, given the small size of the explosives.
Many eyes & fingers have been lost. Children are especially
vulnerable to such explosives, & have died.
USA should stop subsidizing "God's Chosen" & their deadly,
horrible, & illegal attacks on civilians.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Don't be childish.

I'm not.
You were responding to a post that was discussing the moral implications of this attack.
You then brought up the "but what about hamas, hesbollah etc"

You implied that condemning israel for this attack = support for the attacks of their targets

This is a common tactic I encounter. As if any condemnation of Israel's behavior by default means that one is siding with terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah. This is simply false.

The way I see it, both sides of this conflict are engaging in evil behavior and tactics.

Your disgusting willingness to equate a targeted attack on a terrorist organization intended to destabilize and demoralize that organization, to indiscriminate and ongoing attacks targeting civilian population centers and intended to terrorizes and demoralizes that population, reduces you to little more than an apologist for such organizations.

Let's not pretend as if all these explosive didn't go off in civilian population centers.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You implied that condemning israel for this attack = support for the attacks of their targets

I implied nothing of the kind. Rather, I was noting the ignorance underpinning your ignorant blather concerning so-called "what-about-ism" and the gross hypocrisy at the heart of your anti-Israel screeds wrapped in your apparent indifference concerning Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthi terrorism.

Or perhaps you have voiced an impassioned condemnation of Hezbollah that I've somehow missed. I await the link.

Let's not pretend as if all these explosive didn't go off in civilian population centers.

Let's not pretend that civilian population centers were the target or that the distinction is irrelevant.

 

[Flankerl]

It's disgusting that your posts condone indiscriminate attacks

Targeting pagers used by exclusively one terror group is indiscriminate now

on not just Hamas, but also bystanders & other users of pagers

Wrong terror group, also how deluded does one have to be to think that pagers are a big thing in Lebanon among the civilians?

& walkie talkies. Moreover, Israel's attacks are designed to maim
the users & bystanders, given the small size of the explosives.

How can they maim bystanders if the explosive is so small?

Many eyes & fingers have been lost. Children are especially
vulnerable to such explosives, & have died.

So the two children who died were children of Hezbollah commanders who apparently held these devices.

Sounds like Hezbollah needs a proper "work time - free time divide" in its work contracts.
Can't be taking your work with you home.
Simply not healthy and tends to stress people out.

USA should stop subsidizing "God's Chosen" & their deadly,
horrible, & illegal attacks on civilians.

Nice attack on Jews you hid there.
Pretty disgusting but well you are indeed whining about Hezbollah having its "members" blown off so I guess it comes with the territory.

 

[Flankerl]

Ibrahim Aqil, planner and organiser of the 1983 US Embassy and Beirut USMC barracks bombings has reportedly been killed in an air strike.

You are welcome USA and France.

 

[Revoltingest]

From the NYT ...

Live Updates: Pagers Explode Across Lebanon in Apparent Attack on Hezbollah​

Hezbollah said wireless devices belonging to its members had exploded, and the health minister said more than 2,700 people had been injured. Hezbollah blamed Israel, but the Israeli military declined to comment. ...​

Why?

Hezbollah started using paging devices more widely after Oct. 7, experts say.​

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Senior members of Hezbollah have used pagers for years but the practice became more widespread after the Oct. 7 attacks, when the group’s leader warned members that Israeli intelligence had penetrated the cellphone network, security experts said Tuesday.​

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As a result, thousands of rank-and-file members of Hezbollah — and not just fighters — switched to a new system of wireless paging devices, said Amer Al Sabaileh, a regional security expert and university professor based in Amman, Jordan. He said his information was based on extensive contacts in Lebanese political and security circles.​

Note also ...

Electronic pager devices also exploded in Syria, according to Iran’s Tasnim news agency and to Saberin News, an outlet affiliated with the Revolutionary Guards. Saberin reported that seven people were killed in Syria from the blast targeting their devices in the Seyedah Zeinab neighborhood, a Shia stronghold in Damascus.​

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Sky News adds ...

Deadly Hezbollah pager explosions will cause immense embarrassment and sow chaos​

We can reasonably assume that those carrying pagers would have been fairly senior within the group. That is supported by reports Iran's Ambassador to Lebanon was also injured when his pager exploded.​

It just occurred to me that your title is humorous,
but that Israel's attacks maimed & killed innocents,
including children.
In the past, you've scorned me for inappropriate
humor. But it's OK for you to joke about killing
& maiming Muslims, even children?
**mod edit**

 

[Revoltingest]

I get so very tired of people pretending to know what is "most likely" when they "most likely" have zero expertise in the matter being discussed.

Yet you offer no counter argument.
Such cantankerous posts remind me of....

 

[icehorse]

The bombs exploded in random locations.
This would risk lives of anyone nearby.
It smacks of terrorism.

 

[icehorse]

This is some serious next level terrorism

Most likely scenario is idd getting wind of Hezbollah placing an order for a couple thousand pagers, intercepting it and / or infiltrating the production process and booby trapping the ordered pagers. Or literally having the company that produced it do it.

Absolutely terrorism, no doubt.
But you gotta admit... quite impressive to pull something like this off...

So highly targeted attacks against terrorists is terrorism?

How do you propose fighting terrorists?

 

[icehorse]

No, thanks, what I actually fear is Bibi the war criminal dragging the US into a wider, disastrous war, one mainly carried out to keep him out of jail.

Your proposal to fight terrorism would be... ?

 

[icehorse]

It's disgusting that your posts condone indiscriminate attacks
on not just Hamas, but also bystanders & other users of pagers
& walkie talkies. Moreover, Israel's attacks are designed to maim
the users & bystanders, given the small size of the explosives.
Many eyes & fingers have been lost. Children are especially
vulnerable to such explosives, & have died.
USA should stop subsidizing "God's Chosen" & their deadly,
horrible, & illegal attacks on civilians.

 

[Revoltingest]

Does this mean you disagree with
criticism of Israel's indiscriminate
attack on so many, including kids?

 

[Regiomontanus]

Your proposal to fight terrorism would be... ?

My first proposal would be for you to get a clue.

Have a nice day.

 

[icehorse]

My first proposal would be for you to get a clue.

Have a nice day.

Thanks for sharing the ideas you have for solutions to this horrible problem.

 

[icehorse]

Does this mean you disagree with
criticism of Israel's indiscriminate
attack on so many, including kids?

 

[Nakosis]

Taught Hezbollah something new.

Maybe not pagers but perhaps next we'll hear about exploding toasters or some other common household item.

 

[Godobeyer]

This appears to be a broadly distributed attack.
I've not found info about the kill ratio of terrorists
to innocents.

No one dare could called that action a terrorists attack done by Israel.
innocents are worthless since they are not jews.

 

[Stevicus]

Tlaib cartoon created by Detroit News columnist for other publication sparks outrage

A cartoon that recently was published by the National Review is sparking outrage and backlash from community members and Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib.

www.wxyz.com

This cartoon was created by Henry Payne, who also happens to be a Detroit News auto columnist. The cartoon, which is on the National Review online publication, shows a woman identified as U.S. Rep. Tlaib seated at a desk with a pager nearby, which appears to be smoking with the caption: “odd my pager just exploded."

In a statement to me, Tlaib says: “this racism will incite more hate and violence against Arab and Muslim communities and it makes everyone less safe. It’s disgraceful the media continues to normalize this racism against our communities.”

"I was disgusted and can’t believe the Detroit News is making excuses," said Siblani. "What is happening with an attack on Rashida is disgusting and uncalled for.”

I did reach Payne by phone who told me “Jews are under an existential threat from Iran and its Hamas-Hezbollah proxies not seen since WWII ... my cartoons for Andrews McNeel have been consistently critical of Rep. Tlaib’s lack of Congressional leadership in failing to support Israel’s battle for survival."

The Detroit News tells me they do not plan to remove Payne or discipline him in any way for making the cartoon.

However, they say Payne was asked to discontinue use of the Detroit News email and agreed, when working for other publications, given that the Detroit News has nothing to do with creation of this cartoon.

Rashida Tlaib is the first Palestinian-American woman elected to Congress. This kind of cartoon adds more fuel to an already incendiary political campaign season.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Congresswoman Debbie Dingell released the following statement regarding the National Review cartoon:

“This cartoon is vile, Islamophobic, racist, hateful, and unequivocally false. At a time when we must be combating all forms of hatred and xenophobia, this inflammatory depiction does the opposite. Though the harm already done cannot be reversed, the cartoon should be removed, and the National Review and the artist owe Rep. Tlaib an apology. Rising hatred, anger, and discrimination of all kinds, including Islamophobia and antisemitism, are inciting violence across the country and putting communities in real danger, including many in my district. I stand against any attack against any member of my community. This must stop.” [ibid]

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