Paid Maternity Leave

[Wildswanderer]

The government is literally forcing people to carry their unwanted pregnancies to term, including people who were raped. Did you not know that?

No... because that's incorrect. All the supreme court did was put the abortion decision in the hands of the individual states. I thought that's what the pro choice people wanted, for the government to get out of the reproductive business...

 

[Wildswanderer]

It should not be up to the whim of individual insurance companies to decide if they feel like offering that or not. Again, if you care so much about life, surely this is an obvious policy you should support for women giving birth?

Should the government also regulate what conditions individual insurance companies have to cover?
It's called free choice. If you want good coverage, buy good insurance.
If you want the government to regulate it all, you probably expect them to pay for all treatment of cancer and other illnesses too? Where's this money coming from? Or are you only concerned with birth coverage?

 

[Left Coast]

All I asked was how do we pay for it? How much will it cost? etc. Those are reasonable questions. Do you have any answers?

I provided you answers. Either the government pays for it or employers do.

I never said this.

You literally said companies should not be required to provide this. Thus my question.

Why do you leave off that 40% of employers offer some sort of paid maternity leave?

Because that is a voluntary benefit. It should be guaranteed.

Yes, we are discussing how we should do that.

Great, you agree it should be done one way or another, thank you.

No, not obviously. I wanted to know if you think the employer or taxpayers should pay for it.

I answered that...2 replies ago?

All I conceded was that I am for some sort of paid maternity leave.

Awesome, I await your activism to enact this policy with the same fervor as you want abortions banned.

 

[Left Coast]

No... because that's incorrect. All the supreme court did was put the abortion decision in the hands of the individual states.

I said government. You're aware government is more than SCOTUS, yes?

What I said is literally correct.

 

[Left Coast]

Should the government also regulate what conditions individual insurance companies have to cover?

Absolutely. They already do.

It's called free choice. If you want good coverage, buy good insurance.

It's called healthcare. Quality of care shouldn't be based on what you can pay for individually. Especially not in the richest society on the planet.

You also clearly have no clue how expensive private health insurance is.

If you want the government to regulate it all, you probably expect them to pay for all treatment of cancer and other illnesses too? Where's this money coming from? Or are you only concerned with birth coverage?

Of course health insurance should cover cancer treatment. Is that a joke? What kind of scam would call itself health insurance and not cover treatment of life-threatening illnesses?

Why are you attempting to change the subject from paid maternity leave? Do you support guaranteed paid maternity leave? Yes or no?

 

[Wildswanderer]

I don't support these kinds of government interferences in private insurance and I don't support government run healthcare.
Strange how pro choice people are anything but.

Absolutely. They already do.


It's called healthcare. Quality of care shouldn't be based on what you can pay for individually. Especially not in the richest society on the planet.

You also clearly have no clue how expensive private health insurance is.



Of course health insurance should cover cancer treatment. Is that a joke? What kind of scam would call itself health insurance and not cover treatment of life-threatening illnesses?

Why are you attempting to change the subject from paid maternity leave? Do you support guaranteed paid maternity leave? Yes or no?

 

[Wildswanderer]

I said government. You're aware government is more than SCOTUS, yes?

What I said is literally correct.

No one is being forced to get pregnant and abortion isn't illegal, it's just regulated state by state, so you are incorrect.
If you must kill your child the option is still available.

 

[Left Coast]

No one is being forced to get pregnant

...Do you not know that rape can cause pregnancy?

and abortion isn't illegal, it's just regulated state by state, so you are incorrect.

LMAO. Yes, abortion is literally being made illegal in several states in all circumstances other than medical emergencies. You are not arguing in good faith here.

If you must kill your child the option is still available.

No, it literally isn't, for many people.

A 10 year old literally just had to travel from her home in Ohio to Indiana to have an abortion because getting one is now illegal for her in Ohio.

 

[Left Coast]

I don't support these kinds of government interferences in private insurance and I don't support government run healthcare.
Strange how pro choice people are anything but.

Strange how you want to talk about anything but the OP.

 

[Wildswanderer]

...Do you not know that rape can cause pregnancy?



LMAO. Yes, abortion is literally being made illegal in several states in all circumstances other than medical emergencies. You are not arguing in good faith here.



No, it literally isn't, for many people.

A 10 year old literally just had to travel from her home in Ohio to Indiana to have an abortion because getting one is now illegal for her in Ohio.

I didn't say it was available in every state... people travel to other states all the time.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Strange how you want to talk about anything but the OP.

That is about the OP.

 

[Left Coast]

I didn't say it was available in every state... people travel to other states all the time.

LOL. So again, I was correct that states are literally making abortions illegal. Thank you for playing.

 

[Left Coast]

That is about the OP.

I still have no answer from you: do you support guaranteed paid maternity leave, or not?

 

[Watchmen]

No one is suggesting eternal paid leave. All countries have a time limit on the benefit. Details are debatable. Currently in the US we guarantee nothing.

Secondly, if the state forces me to have a child against my will, you bet your *** it's morally obligated to help me. Anyone who suggests otherwise is honestly beyond any reasonable conversation IMO.

The US has nothing? That’s not true.

 

[Left Coast]

The US has nothing? That’s not true.

The US does not have guaranteed paid maternity leave. That's a fact.

 

[Watchmen]

The US does not have guaranteed paid maternity leave. That's a fact.

Fact. It depends on the state.

Fact. There are other benefits available to those struggling.

 

[Left Coast]

Fact. It depends on the state.

Why do moms in one state deserve paid maternity leave but those in another don't?

Should, at bare minimum, those states that ban abortions enact state-based guaranteed paid maternity leave?

Fact. There are other benefits available to those struggling.

But not guaranteed paid maternity leave. Which is the topic of this thread. If you'd like to advocate for others you're welcome to, but I'd do so in another thread. I look forward to reading it!

 

[Watchmen]

Why do moms in one state deserve paid maternity leave but those in another don't?

Should, at bare minimum, those states that ban abortions enact state-based guaranteed paid maternity leave?



But not guaranteed paid maternity leave. Which is the topic of this thread. If you'd like to advocate for others you're welcome to, but I'd do so in another thread. I look forward to reading it!

I am pro-choice and do not oppose paid maternity/paternity leave. Just thought you should know.

To answer your question, the US is a nation of states. Each state, through its elected officials, gets to make its own laws so long as those do not conflict with federal law or the constitution. So, one state might choose to have paid leave and another state might not. I’m fine with that.

 

[Left Coast]

I am pro-choice and do not oppose paid maternity/paternity leave. Just thought you should know.

Great, then I don't know why you're trying so desperately to find something argue about. Just say "I agree" and save us all time.

 

[Watchmen]

Great, then I don't know why you're trying so desperately to find something argue about. Just say "I agree" and save us all time.

I’m not desperately trying to find something to argue about. I simply presented the counter argument. You even asked for it. This is a debate forum, right? Or, like other extreme leftists are you not interested in debate and discussion? You’d rather just have your way be THE way and that’s it?