Palestianian atheist arrested

[Autodidact]

then be happy for getting what you expected

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I expect someone in a discussion to answer questions addressed to her, but apparently that is too much to expect from some people.

 

[.lava]

It's a strong word, I'll leave it at that. I might use that word on people who have sex with very young girls though, especially people in power. *shrug*



The "problem" I see is stealing someone's childhood and forcing them to grow up so quickly. I think that's wrong, people should be able to enjoy their childhoods. Just because it was all the rage to marry young I still think there's a lower limit to when people have to grow up, and I would think that someone connected to God wouldn't cross it. That's all I'm saying.

As for slavery, freeing slaves is good but it also mentions owning slaves. Were 100% of slaves set free or just some?

so you're not aware of political marriages with children in Western kingdoms that's practiced long after time of The Last Prophet? you know marrying is not always equal having sex. as it is stated earlier that marriage between Prophet and her brought peace between two tribes

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[Autodidact]

so you're not aware of political marriages with children in Western kingdoms that's practiced long after time of The Last Prophet?you know marrying is not always equal having sex. as it is stated earlier that marriage between Prophet and her brought peace between two tribes

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The issue is not whether you agree or not. The issue is, whether someone who disagrees with you should have the right to say so.

 

[Bismillah]

I might use that word on people who have sex with very young girls though

Sure, feel free to use that word. When it applies. In a society where children are bred, coddled, and nurtured until their late teens this word is applicable. I don't believe it adequate in the context it was used in that setting however.

The "problem" I see is stealing someone's childhood and forcing them to grow up so quickly.

And here again cultural bias resurfaces. A child may have "growing up" to do at that age in today's society, but not necessarily a Bedouin in Iraq of the same age. Let alone in Ancient Arabia.

I would think that someone connected to God wouldn't cross it

People tend to forget that the Prophet had Aisha's consent for the marriage.

Were 100% of slaves set free or just some?

I'm not sure on the statistics of every slave, but the precedence set is quite clear.

 

[Meow Mix]

so you're not aware of political marriages with children in Western kingdoms that's practiced long after time of The Last Prophet? you know marrying is not always equal having sex. as it is stated earlier that marriage between Prophet and her brought peace between two tribes

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Yeah I am aware of it, wasn't saying that young marriages was only an Islam thing. That crap happened (s) around the world and it's gross to me. I'm not commenting on Mohammed and Aisha because I don't know enough about it.

 

[.lava]

I expect someone in a discussion to answer questions addressed to her, but apparently that is too much to expect from some people.

don't be funny, Autodidact. in the past i spent so much time and energy repying to you believing you're sincerely asking to understand. now i know you just look for oppotunity to attack Islam. anyone new could expect as much as possible from me but not people like you. not my doing honey, it is all yours

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[Autodidact]

Sure, feel free to use that word. When it applies. In a society where children are bred, coddled, and nurtured until their late teens this word is applicable. I don't believe it adequate in the context it was used in that setting however.



And here again cultural bias resurfaces. A child may have "growing up" to do at that age in today's society, but not necessarily a Bedouin in Iraq of the same age. Let alone in Ancient Arabia.



People tend to forget that the Prophet had Aisha's consent for the marriage.



I'm not sure on the statistics of every slave, but the precedence set is quite clear.

The issue is not whether you believe it is moral to marry and have sex with a young girl. The issue is whether people who believe it is immoral should have the right to say so, and to criticize someone who does it. Although, Abibi, I realize that you do believe people should have that right.

Apparently .lava and Sahar do not, although .lava has not clearly stated her position after dozens of pages. I think IslamDude is with you, IIRC.

 

[.lava]

The issue is not whether you agree or not. The issue is, whether someone who disagrees with you should have the right to say so.

it is a historical fact

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[Meow Mix]

People tend to forget that the Prophet had Aisha's consent for the marriage.

I don't care what time period it is, someone young enough can't give informed consent. But again I can't argue about Mohammed and Aisha because I don't know anything about it. I'm just talking about child marriage in general.

I'm not sure on the statistics of every slave, but the precedence set is quite clear.

If I free 50 slaves but keep 1, I'm still a monster and certainly not a saint.

 

[Bismillah]

I believe that nonbelievers have the right to surface their doubts of Islam and propagate their own beliefs. That is not a problem with me.

Slanderous material though is and should be prohibited as is in the West.

 

[Autodidact]

don't be funny, Autodidact. in the past i spent so much time and energy repying to you believing you're sincerely asking to understand. now i know you just look for oppotunity to attack Islam. anyone new could expect as much as possible from me but not people like you. not my doing honey, it is all yours

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You have spent a lot of time and energy evading my questions, not replying to them. I still don't know whether you agree with the Palestinian authority or not.

What I'm attacking is suppression of freedom of speech. You and Sahar are telling me that is synonymous with Islam, which leaves me no choice but to attack Islam, or at least, your version of it.

 

[Bismillah]

I don't care what time period it is, someone young enough can't give informed consent.

So you are taking the age of a person from a society thousands of years prior and judging her growth based on the growth and capacity you see of people in today's world. You don't see anything fundamentally flawed with this?

 

[Meow Mix]

I believe that nonbelievers have the right to surface their doubts of Islam and propagate their own beliefs. That is not a problem with me.

Slanderous material though is and should be prohibited as is in the West.

Sure, slander is illegal for a reason but I think what we were just talking about would be difficult to pin as slander.

 

[Autodidact]

So you are taking the age of a person from a society thousands of years prior and judging her growth based on the growth and capacity you see of people in today's world. You don't see anything fundamentally flawed with this?

No, but it's OT. Would you like to start a thread?

 

[Bismillah]

If I free 50 slaves but keep 1, I'm still a monster and certainly not a saint.

therefore Muhammad was the owner of slaves, whom he bought usually to free

Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bismillah]

Sure, slander is illegal for a reason but I think what we were just talking about would be difficult to pin as slander

I haven't read his blog, but this word is an indication that at least parts of his work is slanderous. I could be wrong and this could be the only mention, but it's very likely that there is malicious content within his website.

 

[Meow Mix]

So you are taking the age of a person from a society thousands of years prior and judging her growth based on the growth and capacity you see of people in today's world. You don't see anything fundamentally flawed with this?

Children go through age-related cognitive growth that is as far as I know independent of culture so long as they're nourished healthily. It doesn't matter what time frame it is, at some points in time children of a certain age will be vulnerable and unable to offer what most of us would consider informed consent. This is why kids believe in Santa Claus: at times during their development they are the easiest things to manipulate ever. If you don't teach a kid not to talk to strangers they will get in a white unmarked van labelled "free candy." That isn't consent.

 

[Meow Mix]

Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Whom he bought USUALLY to free"

That doesn't imply 100% free rate, which I might find suspicious and morally wrong...

 

[Bismillah]

No, but it's OT. Would you like to start a thread?

Not particularly but feel free to do so if you wish.

 

[Autodidact]

I haven't read his blog, but this word is an indication that at least parts of his work is slanderous. I could be wrong and this could be the only mention, but it's very likely that there is malicious content within his website.

I'm not sure if you can slander a dead person. Also, opinion is not slander, and the burden of proof would be on the person alleging the slander to prove both falsity and malice. And no one has accused him of slander.