palestine is for Jews or arabs ?

[Agnostisch]

Shalom ,

I am really luck today to find this wonderful site .. I make a research about palestine (Israel) , and I Just want to know the evidence that tell us palestine is for jews .. in Torah .

please friends I need all informations and need all your comments about this issue .

thanks in advance

 

[Revoltingest]

I know nothing, but welcome aboard!

 

[Levite]

Welcome to the Forum. This subforum in which you've posted is a DIR, which is for discussions of specific religions.

The question that you've asked is extremely likely to engender vigorous debate, and the posting of responses from non-Jews. Therefore, I would like to ask a moderator to kindly move the post to a debate forum, where the inevitable aftermath of this question will not be unwelcome.

 

[Rakhel]

agreed

 

[HiddenDjinn]

Yeah, take this to political debates.

 

[Super Universe]

I think he's asking for the evidence in the Torah, that Palestine is for the Jewish people?

Seems to me just that part of it would be a religious discussion...

 

[Quagmire]

***Mod Post***
Thread Moved to Religious Debates​

 

[godlikemadman]

I don't want to offend anyone but I don't see why or how Zionists can substantiate their claim that the Holy Land belongs to them and them alone. In addition I don't see why Palestine cannot exist. It baffles me that this is even an issue. I don't see why arrangements can't be made for a two-state plan.

 

[elmarna]

Wow the powder keg of stakeing claims is back!
Why can't we ALL GET ALONG?
Let's forget the push and shove and work on PEACE!!!

 

[godlikemadman]

The man has a legitimate question though. Why do Zionists have such a special claim on Israel? And why has that claim been honored? Why is it still honored? And why was it seen as fair for these people to knowingly displace, scatter, and murder the pre-existing occupants?

 

[Super Universe]

I don't want to offend anyone but I don't see why or how Zionists can substantiate their claim that the Holy Land belongs to them and them alone. In addition I don't see why Palestine cannot exist. It baffles me that this is even an issue. I don't see why arrangements can't be made for a two-state plan.

Muslims do live in Israel as well as Gaza and the West Bank. Palestine does exist, has it's own government that is supplied with money from the US, not that we ever get any credit for it or even a thank you, and I believe they get money from Israel as well.

If Israel wanted to annihilate Palestine, it could quite easily. Certainly some Palestinian groups, if they had the power to annihilate Israel, wouldn't even think twice about it.

I think the main reason Israel is not allowing Palestine complete autonomy is because they can't give away all of their bargaining chips. Why give anything to someone who bombs your cafes, crowded busses, and launch's rockets at your peoples homes? That would be like us saying to Al Qaeda, you can keep on attacking us and we'll give you more and more each time you do so.

Stop the attacks. Agree to live in peace and abide by it. Then you get something in return.

 

[Kerr]

Shalom ,

I am really luck today to find this wonderful site .. I make a research about palestine (Israel) , and I Just want to know the evidence that tell us palestine is for jews .. in Torah .

please friends I need all informations and need all your comments about this issue .

thanks in advance

Welcome! And in my opinion, palestine belongs to the people who lives there no matter if they are jews or arabs .

 

[godlikemadman]

But what about the practical genocide and blockade to Gaza? How do you explain that?

`What we're seeing in Gaza now, is pretty much slow-motion genocide against the 1.5 million Palestinians who live in Gaza.... If you read the 1948 Genocide Convention, it clearly says that one instance of genocide is the deliberate infliction of conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of a people in whole or in part,'' stated Francis A. Boyle, professor of International Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign. ``And that's exactly what has been done to Gaza, since the imposition of the blockade by Israel; then the massacre of 1,400 Palestinians, two-thirds of whom were civilians, in Operation Cast Lead. And that also raises the element in the Genocide Convention, of murder, torture, and things of that nature.''

 

[Super Universe]

But what about the practical genocide and blockade to Gaza? How do you explain that?

Now why would they blockade Gaza? To stop weapons from coming in maybe?

So, you're saying that Israel should not attempt to defend itself from rockets being fired at it's citizens homes?

 

[godlikemadman]

What I'm saying is that they should find a better solution than ******* genocide.

 

[Super Universe]

So when the Palestinians launch 377 rocket/mortars into Israel in January, 485 in Febuary, 299 in March, 518 in April, 355 in May, and 237 in June, you're still not supposed to use your military?

 

[Godobeyer]

it's like to said this earth is for all human or for gender human !!!!
Jeruselame (or palestine) from along time , even when it's was under Muslims authority ,all the Abrahimic religions praying God in free way , it's saint/holy place for muslims and christains and jews not doubt about that .
maybe the Jews and Christians had some problems with romans or grecs .
for my opinion this conflit between the muslims and jews about this land , would end when we respect our religions law ,and don't allow to killed each other or hurt we each other , and change the mentality of war(hate) to peace/respect .

 

[jamesmorrow]

i think this is all thanks to religious nuts trying to fulfill religious prophecy... the state of israel was completely unneccessary... we took care of the nazis and kept the peace, if the jews were still not comfortable in germany they could have moved anywhere else they wanted to, usa, france, you name it...instead, we used it as an excuse to push religious agenda to fulfill a prophecy, so that religious zealots can use it to justify their belief as true..... frankly the usa should have no preference to jews over muslims, but they do because we are run by religious nuts.... we dont owe israel jack ****. and yet, if you come out and speak this truth you are labeled anti-american..... and to think that none of this would have happened, had the jews not been so damn cocky in creating their own religion, which made muslims jealous, prompting them to put their own spin on it and invent islam.... so much unneccessary pain and suffering because of religion.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Is anyone else amazed that people actually fight for that region? To me it looks like a God forsaken piece of worthless desert.

 

[jamesmorrow]

Is anyone else amazed that people actually fight for that region? To me it looks like a God forsaken piece of worthless desert.

thats what religion does. it dresses garbage up to look like gold and the whole world suffers the consequences.