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palestine is for Jews or arabs ?

no-body

no-body

Well-Known Member
I find it funny when Americans talk about the fairness of occupying land and giving it back to the rightful owners

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Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Caladan said:
You need to enlighten yourself from the fantasy many Muslims tell themselves that everything is fine or was fine in their lands, that everyone had justice, freedom, or equality.
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we need to admit that all of us had errors , and made mistakes ,but accautly you had no evidence tell that you were abused in relgion Palestine before 1948 by the arabs .on contrary the abuse of the arabs start at 1948 .
if your recent history tell that let us know .
if your God tell you that it's your promiss land , my God tell us it's our holy land .
accautly i wounder how a name of Prophet Israel (pbuh) used to name a country !!!
Israel (pbuh) Democratic Republic Jewish State , come on are you serieus ?
if we suppose that the KSA change it's name to Muhammad (pbuh) ,i am sure it's will be funny .
or the Vatican change it's name to Jesus(pbuh) :D

I have plenty of evidence of what I said. but I am going to encourage anyone who wants to know more about the way Jerusalem was run under Jordanian authority to simply use their search engines. Jews WERE NOT free to practice their religion in their holy site. in fact contrary to international agreements, the Jews were denied access to Jewish holy sites.
also your link about Mizrahi Jews tells me nothing. I know who Mizrahi Jews and Sephardi Jews are. I am one.
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let show us your evidence , by credibale references .
i am not defend , i will be sorry if it's realy happened .


Really? this is your justification? the holiest site in Judaism was used as a garbage dump, simply because it was abandoned?
answer me this, why did Israel behaved differently when it took Jerusalem in 1967?

why did unlike the Jordanians, Israel made sure to hand over control of the Islamic holy sites to the Muslims?
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where it's behaved differently , which Aqsa ? the tunnels ? or with people , kill and destruction arabs houses .
if you want evidences for that , i will post them ?
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JacobEzra.

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
Godobeyer said:
if your God tell you that it's your promiss land , my God tell us it's our holy land .
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Quran says the land is given to anyone else but Jews??? In Quran it says....

And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds.O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back

Yeah, your god didn't give the land to Jews :rolleyes: lol
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Caladan said:
I have no idea what you just said.
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really ?

Israel(pbuh) is Prophet , you use His name to called your state ,I guess you are the unique country in the world that used the name of Prophet as a name of state .

God promiss land , then what ? you were there , and you are there , what happened ? or you still waiting
if you said it's God promiss , is that allow to abuse the Palestinians by the name of that promiss ? or by the name of God ?

as I know :
God promiss you to provoke also to choose other nation , and it's done .

DT 32:21
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
 
Caladan

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Godobeyer said:
really ?

Israel(pbuh) is Prophet , you use His name to called your state ,I guess you are the unique country in the world that used the name of Prophet as a name of state .
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Really? I mean really? you have no understanding or knowledge that the Bible talks about 'the People of Israel', further more let me educate you about your religion, you have no idea that the Qur'an also talks about 'the People of Israel'?

God promiss land , then what ? you were there , and you are there , what happened ? or you still waiting
if you said it's God promiss , is that allow to abuse the Palestinians by the name of that promiss ? or by the name of God ?
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I'm very happy for you that you see everything in religious terms, and that you need to throw the terms 'God', 'prophet', or 'pbup' in every sentence for dramatic effect, but it doesn't have the same effect over me.
tone it down por-favor.

as I know :
God promiss you to provoke also to choose other nation , and it's done .

DT 32:21
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
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I have no idea what your personal superstitions means. but maybe you would have better luck with your scripture, the Qur'an. instead of taking Biblical verses out of context.
Your Qur'an attributes the land to the People of Israel, not only that, but it also predicts that the People of Israel will return and dwell in their land of promise.
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
JacobEzra said:
Quran says the land is given to anyone else but Jews??? In Quran it says....

And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds.O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back

Yeah, your god didn't give the land to Jews :rolleyes: lol
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you had put a fake reference for Quran !!!
Quran said that this
2-122
O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds.

2-54
And [recall] when Moses said to his people, "O my people, indeed you have wronged yourselves by your taking of the calf [for worship]. So repent to your Creator and kill yourselves. That is best for [all of] you in the sight of your Creator." Then He accepted your repentance; indeed, He is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

Moses (pbuh) is Jewish Prophet , he calling his people jews . not God called his people

and what supprise me , that i found that story of Moses (pbuh) in OT .

Exodus 32:1
[ The Golden Calf ] When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.”
 
JacobEzra.

JacobEzra.

Dr. Greenthumb
Godobeyer said:
you had put a fake reference for Quran !!!
Quran said that this
2-122
O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds.

2-54
And [recall] when Moses said to his people, "O my people, indeed you have wronged yourselves by your taking of the calf [for worship]. So repent to your Creator and kill yourselves. That is best for [all of] you in the sight of your Creator." Then He accepted your repentance; indeed, He is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.

Moses (pbuh) is Jewish Prophet , he calling his people jews . not God called his people

and what supprise me , that i found that story of Moses (pbuh) in OT .

Exodus 32:1
[ The Golden Calf ] When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.”
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I guess I know Quran better then you.

Surat Al-Ma'idah - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????
 
Agnostisch

Agnostisch

Egyptian Man
Levite said:
Welcome to the Forum. This subforum in which you've posted is a DIR, which is for discussions of specific religions.

The question that you've asked is extremely likely to engender vigorous debate, and the posting of responses from non-Jews. Therefore, I would like to ask a moderator to kindly move the post to a debate forum, where the inevitable aftermath of this question will not be unwelcome.
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ok no problem , I just want to know answer from our Jewish view..Anyway Thanks
 
Agnostisch

Agnostisch

Egyptian Man
godlikemadman said:
I don't want to offend anyone but I don't see why or how Zionists can substantiate their claim that the Holy Land belongs to them and them alone. In addition I don't see why Palestine cannot exist. It baffles me that this is even an issue. I don't see why arrangements can't be made for a two-state plan.
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So I post my question , If Jews have evidence so ..
and also If Arabs have evidence so ..
Torah and Koran should tell us the truth ..
 
Agnostisch

Agnostisch

Egyptian Man
Super Universe said:
I think he's asking for the evidence in the Torah, that Palestine is for the Jewish people?

Seems to me just that part of it would be a religious discussion...
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You are right , but moving topic to general discussion is better .. we will get more than one view .. really , my question find religious directory
 
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