palestine is for Jews or arabs ?

[Godobeyer]

So where does it say that it's no longer assigned to them?

2-61
And when ye said: O Moses! We are weary of one kind of food; so call upon thy Lord for us that He bring forth for us of that which the earth groweth - of its herbs and its cucumbers and its corn and its lentils and its onions. He said: Would ye exchange that which is higher for that which is lower? Go down to settled country, thus ye shall get that which ye demand. And humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon them and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets wrongfully. That was for their disobedience and transgression.

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Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found save (where they grasp) a rope from Allah and a rope from men. They have incurred anger from their Lord, and wretchedness is laid upon them. That is because they used to disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slew the prophets wrongfully. That is because they were rebellious and used to transgress.

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The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones. Say: Why then doth He chastise you for your sins? Nay, ye are but mortals of His creating. He forgiveth whom He will, and chastiseth whom He will. Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the journeying.

 

[Shermana]

And when ye said: O Moses! We are weary of one kind of food; so call upon thy Lord for us that He bring forth for us of that which the earth groweth - of its herbs and its cucumbers and its corn and its lentils and its onions. He said: Would ye exchange that which is higher for that which is lower? Go down to settled country, thus ye shall get that which ye demand. And humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon them and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets wrongfully. That was for their disobedience and transgression.

Hmmm, I don't see anything there about the Land not being for the Israelites anymore, does anyone else? In the Torah, the Jews constantly disobeyed and were punished, sometimes exiled even, but the land was never reliniquished. Why would it be any different here?

Edit: I was reading Chapter 2, I thought "Christians" were bad at cherry picking verses out of context, are you even aware what is being discussed here?

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Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found save (where they grasp) a rope from Allah and a rope from men. They have incurred anger from their Lord, and wretchedness is laid upon them. That is because they used to disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slew the prophets wrongfully. That is because they were rebellious and used to transgress.

Hmmm, can anyone else see where it says the Land is no longer meant for them here?

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The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones. Say: Why then doth He chastise you for your sins? Nay, ye are but mortals of His creating. He forgiveth whom He will, and chastiseth whom He will. Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the journeying.

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Same thing, can anyone find where it says the land is no longer for the Israelites? Especially where this verse comes 2 lines before the part where it says its for them?

 

[JacobEzra.]

Oh, what an over done debate, I am done with responding to "godobeyer". My english is horrible, but his is borderline gibberish.

On more important issues. Whats better, Dunkin Donuts coffe or Starbucks?

 

[Shermana]

Oh, what an over done debate, I am done with responding to "godobeyer". My english is horrible, but his is borderline gibberish.

On more important issues. Whats better, Dunkin Donuts coffe or Starbucks?

Neither, get yourself a bag of Ralphs/Kroger store brand Organic coffee for the same price as 2 small cups of those, so smooth.

 

[Caladan]

All good points. the Qur'an seems to paraphrase the Hebrew Bible in this regard. perhaps in Hebrew prophecy of regathering in the promised land, or even in the promise the God of Abraham made to the nation of Israel.
personally I think godobeyer is voicing what he and unfortunately probably what other Muslims want to believe.
the Qur'an can be pretty ambiguous in this regard. some passages show favoritism towards the People of the Book, other parts are negative to Christians and Jews. its pretty arbitrary.

 

[obi one]

Shalom ,

I am really luck today to find this wonderful site .. I make a research about palestine (Israel) , and I Just want to know the evidence that tell us palestine is for jews .. in Torah .

please friends I need all informations and need all your comments about this issue .

thanks in advance

In a political way, you have to ask who won the last 3 wars with respect to control of land. As for the Scriptural sense, it is pretty self evident. As for as the practical sense, we are out of the realm of practicality. Per Jeremiah Jer 33:26, the fortunes of Abraham's children will be restored, and with respect to Essau, I think that fortune is limited to land of Essau, which would be the approximate area of Jordan.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Neither, get yourself a bag of Ralphs/Kroger store brand Organic coffee for the same price as 2 small cups of those, so smooth.

Never herd of it. But DD coffee is kosher

 

[HiddenDjinn]

He's referring to something of the concept of Pathmark, Stop&Shop, Shop Rite, even Good Value(Wal-mart) brands.

 

[Kerr]

really ?

Israel(pbuh) is Prophet , you use His name to called your state ,I guess you are the unique country in the world that used the name of Prophet as a name of state .

Speaking of names... Funny random fact about my country, there is a city called "Trosa". In the language of my country, "trosa" is women underwear. Now that is an odd name .

 

[Rakhel]

Speaking of names... Funny random fact about my country, there is a city called "Trosa". In the language of my country, "trosa" is women underwear. Now that is an odd name .

That's the Swedes for ya

 

[Kerr]

That's the Swedes for ya

Yep, we can come up with worse names then Israel! The horror !

EDIT:

I actually find Swedish names to be kind of silly at times. Like "Mjölby" which means "Flour village" or something. "Nacka" is a city, but it also means "to wring". "Torget" also means "the square". "Eksjö" means "oak lake". "Visby" means "wise village". It is soo silly when you think about it (at least if you happen to be me), especially when you translate it directly to English, lol.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

and you are a Christian? the Bible is filled with allusions to the importance of this piece of land.
Christianity and the Bible aside. this piece of land is as good as any other, people have lived there for generations, they are not planning to move en masse. if this was the case Americans should have moved out of the four corners region and several American states after the Mexican-American war.
also, for your information, this land is not all desert, the desert areas are the least populated areas.

American ignorance is always one step ahead. isn't it?

From Wiki:

Agriculture in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"More than half of the land area is desert, and the climate and lack of water resources do not favor farming. "

Encyclopedia Britannica calls the land in question Negev:

"Negev, also spelled Negeb, Hebrew Ha-negev(The Southland), arid region, southern part of Israel, occupying almost half of Palestine west of the Jordan, and about 60 percent of Israeli territory under the 1949–67 boundaries. "

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/408071/Negev

From an Israeli newsource in an article titled "fight Desertification":

"Some 97 percent of land in Israel is classified as dry land. The driest area is in the south, the Arava desert, near Eilat."

http://www.israel21c.org/environment/fight-desertification-feed-the-world


From another Israeli site:

"Sixty percent of Israel is desert and just 10% of the population lives there. The remaining 40% of the country is semi-arid land. It is densely populated, containing 90% of the population"

http://www.israelmybeloved.com/channel/israel_today/section/farming_agriculture

 

[Rakhel]

From Wiki:

Agriculture in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"More than half of the land area is desert, and the climate and lack of water resources do not favor farming. "

Encyclopedia Britannica calls the land in question Negev

"Negev, also spelled Negeb, Hebrew Ha-negev(The Southland), arid region, southern part of Israel, occupying almost half of Palestine west of the Jordan, and about 60 percent of Israeli territory under the 1949–67 boundaries. "

Negev (desert region, Israel) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

Here is the problem with your assertion that the fight is over a "worthless, god forsaken desert." Jerusalem is not in the Negev.

 

[Shermana]

Agriculture in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20% Arable land is a lot higher than many other countries for one thing. The Jews did in fact "make the deserts bloom".

Edit: Read the Second list wrong. Still, #48 for population density vs. food production is very good.

And Israel may also have as much natural gas and oil to make it a major energy power too, its livestock capabilities are also yet to be fully tapped.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

The bottom line is that the land is your home and you're naturally proud of it. I respect that, but let's not pretend this is beach front property we are talking about.

 

[ankarali]

It is political subject not religious and this is a holy place for 3 religions (islam, christianism and judaism)

 

[Shermana]

The bottom line is that the land is your home and you're naturally proud of it. I respect that, but let's not pretend this is beach front property we are talking about.

As you can see, almost everywhere North of the Negev looks pretty nice. And this map doesn't even show Judea-Samaria.

 

[Godobeyer]

It is political subject not religious and this is a holy place for 3 religions (islam, christianism and judaism)

i guess so ,and it's become pub for tourism also

 

[Godobeyer]

Speaking of names... Funny random fact about my country, there is a city called "Trosa". In the language of my country, "trosa" is women underwear. Now that is an odd name .

yeah , but I meant that they use their saint prophet to call their country !!!! , i am exemple if for exemple we the Muslim called KSA " Muhammad (pbuh) ,it's realy funny , for my opinion , this is funny and weird .
or Hindus called India , "Krishna " ...etc

 

[Godobeyer]

It went like this.

- I clicked on the link

- I read 2 sentences and there it was

"The Israeli military said aircraft and tanks had targeted a "terrorist squad" planting an explosive device near the security fence."

I must be some kind of genius.

who said , the Isreali military
the criminal is the judge .

Ah the jewish kraken. Again.

you absolutly right .

How come Hezbollah attacked Israeli civilians even though the Israelis didnt do anything?

yes you just occupted land and hostige his people (soldiers)

How come Hezbollah still wants to free "Lebanese territory occupied by Israel" even though not a cm is occupied?

just in few years ago (i don't remember when) , you got out from the south of Lebanon .