palestine is for Jews or arabs ?

[Caladan]

Here is the problem with your assertion that the fight is over a "worthless, god forsaken desert." Jerusalem is not in the Negev.

First Jungle called it a 'God forsaken piece of worthless desert.' ignoring the fact that this is where the Biblical stories take place, this is where Jesus lived, walked, and preached, and ignoring the fact that Jungle is referring to himself as a Christian.
he has now learned that a big part of the land is in fact not a desert. but not only that, most people in the country have very little contact with the desert area, as it is the LEAST populated area in the country. the Negev desert is populated by only about 8% of the entire population.
Jungle seems to believe that the citizens live in tents in the middle of a wasteland. Tel Aviv doesn't exist, Haifa doesn't exist, Jerusalem or the Galilee don't exist. apparently its all God forsaken.

 

[Caladan]

yeah , but I meant that they use their saint prophet to call their country !!!! , i am exemple if for exemple we the Muslim called KSA " Muhammad (pbuh) ,it's realy funny , for my opinion , this is funny and weird .
or Hindus called India , "Krishna " ...etc

Thank you for showing us your ignorance of the Qur'an again.
the Islamic Qur'an itself says Bani Isra'il, or Israelites. does it not? time to get to know your religion and holy book a little better. the scriptures of the three Abrahamic religions extensively talk about the People of Israel, Israelites, Children of Israel, as a nation. in fact in Biblical times the Kingdom of Israel was in existence.
do yourself a favour, and start reading just a little bit before you post. because most of your posts are a mix of bad language and misinformation.

 

[Godobeyer]

Thank you for showing us your ignorance of the Qur'an again.
the Islamic Qur'an itself says Bani Isra'il, or Israelites. does it not? time to get to know your religion and holy book a little better. the scriptures of the three Abrahamic religions extensively talk about the People of Israel, Israelites, Children of Israel, as a nation. in fact in Biblical times the Kingdom of Israel was in existence.
do yourself a favour, and start reading just a little bit before you post. because most of your posts are a mix of bad language and misinformation.

Bani Isra'il in arabic mean children of Israel (pbuh) , it's same as we say Bani Adam (pbuh) , the Children of Adam .

2-132
The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you the (true) religion; therefore die not save as men who have surrendered (unto Him).

or
36-60
Did I not charge you, O ye sons of Adam, that ye worship not the devil - Lo! he is your open foe! -

who was the King ? Israel (pbub)?

Accuatly i wounder when you say "God promiss us " this is "the land of promiss" , promiss of what ? Jesus (pbuh) is , and Muhammad (pbuh) "provoke" are already came to you and you tried to kill them!!!

don't tell me ,that HIS promiss did not come until killing more innocents Palestinian and Arabs as you can , and i wounder if a religion promiss made by blood of innocents , is realy considerate a promiss or a promiss to crimes .
how cost that promiss for innocent and destruction and demolition ?

in the end, thank for the advise for the language, i try my best

 

[Flankerl]

who said , the Isreali military
the criminal is the judge .

You trust the terrorists and i'd rather trust the IDF.

you absolutly right .

Uhm what the ****?
Do you even know what the "jewish kraken" means? For gods sake. What the ****.

yes you just occupted land and hostige his people (soldiers)

I didnt occupy anything. My passport is austrian.
And no the hezbollah fights to free Lebanon. The problem with that is that Israel isnt occupying Lebanon.

just in few years ago (i don't remember when) , you got out from the south of Lebanon .

********. The IDF withdrew from Lebanon in 2000. The last Lebanon war which was started by the Hezbollah btw(which you will dismiss as a jewish conspiracy) was in 2006.

6 years after the last Israeli soldier was actually in Lebanon. If Hezbollah wouldnt have attacked Northern Israel not even one soldier of the IDF would have set foot into Lebanon.


Oh btw Syria just withdrew from Lebanon in 2005. How come the Hezbollah wasnt fighting them?

 

[Godobeyer]

You trust the terrorists and i'd rather trust the IDF.

I don't considerate them terrorist , the terrorist the israelis planes whombombing the innocent without any reason .
last war in Gaza more than 1600 innocent killed by plans and phosfor .

Uhm what the ****?
Do you even know what the "jewish kraken" means? For gods sake. What the ****.

some respect

I didnt occupy anything. My passport is austrian.
And no the hezbollah fights to free Lebanon. The problem with that is that Israel isnt occupying Lebanon.

ah , i guess you israeli , that's why you defend for them .

********.

the dirty mind had always dirty mouth , which of course post dirty insults .

6 years after the last Israeli soldier was actually in Lebanon. If Hezbollah wouldnt have attacked Northern Israel not even one soldier of the IDF would have set foot into Lebanon.

i wounder that insult if was for the Isreali soldier or for me ?

Oh btw Syria just withdrew from Lebanon in 2005. How come the Hezbollah wasnt fighting them?

they syrian army was not kill the innocents for no reason as some israeli army do by their planes , ah it's ''a promiss reason " to sacfice more Muslim innocents to applicate it .

 

[Caladan]

Bani Isra'il in arabic mean children of Israel (pbuh) , it's same as we say Bani Adam (pbuh) , the Children of Adam .

It's certainly doesn't. it means the nation of Israel. a historical nation and people. the word Jewish itself also comes from the name of one of Israel's (Jacob) sons, would you now say that there are no Jews in the world?

2-132
The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Lo! Allah hath chosen for you the (true) religion; therefore die not save as men who have surrendered (unto Him).

or
36-60
Did I not charge you, O ye sons of Adam, that ye worship not the devil - Lo! he is your open foe! -

who was the King ? Israel (pbub)?

Accuatly i wounder when you say "God promiss us " this is "the land of promiss" , promiss of what ? Jesus (pbuh) is , and Muhammad (pbuh) "provoke" are already came to you and you tried to kill them!!!

don't tell me ,that HIS promiss did not come until killing more innocents Palestinian and Arabs as you can , and i wounder if a religion promiss made by blood of innocents , is realy considerate a promiss or a promiss to crimes .
how cost that promiss for innocent and destruction and demolition ?

in the end, thank for the advise for the language, i try my best

Couldn't understand anything from this gibberish. maybe you need to post on forums with your spoken languages, I resent the fact that you make little to no effort to be understood. in fact I have doubts that if you posted in forums with your spoken languages it would make much difference.

 

[Godobeyer]

It's certainly doesn't. it means the nation of Israel. a historical nation and people. the word Jewish itself also comes from the name of one of Israel's (Jacob) sons, would you now say that there are no Jews in the world?

My point is why the jews used a name of prophet to called your country ,that funny for me .
and my second point is why some of the jews , considerate killing of innocents palestinians and muslims is the key or "sacrfice" to the promiss of God .

Couldn't understand anything from this gibberish. maybe you need to post on forums with your spoken languages, I resent the fact that you make little to no effort to be understood. in fact I have doubts that if you posted in forums with your spoken languages it would make much difference.

I prefer to post in gibberish language in honest , than lies in correct langauge .
my english is not bad enough as you try represent it .
i have over 1700 posts here , and rarely found some one don't understand me .
if the people don't understand me , why they replied to my threads ?

 

[JacobEzra.]

I prefer to post in gibberish language in honest , than lies in correct langauge .
my english is not bad enough as you try represent it .

That is true. Rather show how intelligent you are honestly, then with lies.

 

[Caladan]

My point is why the jews used a name of prophet to called your country ,that funny for me .

You seem to have strange reasons to laugh. maybe I should let out a fart, I'm sure you will find it hilarious too.
Israel is the father of the nation of Israel, can you explain to me what is so funny about a people being called after the father of their nation?

I prefer to post in gibberish language in honest , than lies in correct langauge .

That's very dramatic.

my english is not bad enough as you try represent it .

Oh. trust me, it is.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

To argue over land for religious reasons is pointless. I personally think the land belongs to both the Jews and Palestinians, and both are fighting a dirty war with each other. It's not the Jews' fault that they were removed from the land nearly 2000 years ago, and it's not the Palestinians' fault that the British decided to make the state of Israel and try to force the Palestinians out, who had been living there for over a thousand years. That's just my two cents.

 

[JacobEzra.]

To argue over land for religious reasons is pointless. I personally think the land belongs to both the Jews and Palestinians, and both are fighting a dirty war with each other. It's not the Jews' fault that they were removed from the land nearly 2000 years ago, and it's not the Palestinians' fault that the British decided to make the state of Israel and try to force the Palestinians out, who had been living there for over a thousand years. That's just my two cents.

I don't understand the Middle East.

 

[Kerr]

To argue over land for religious reasons is pointless. I personally think the land belongs to both the Jews and Palestinians, and both are fighting a dirty war with each other. It's not the Jews' fault that they were removed from the land nearly 2000 years ago, and it's not the Palestinians' fault that the British decided to make the state of Israel and try to force the Palestinians out, who had been living there for over a thousand years. That's just my two cents.

I would have to agree. That is why I said it belongs to the people who live there. Unfortunately there are many people who disagree, who believes that Palestine belongs to the jews or that Israel should be destroyed. I think both of those two sides are bad, and to be honest, I dont think I truly understand them.

 

[Caladan]

To argue over land for religious reasons is pointless. I personally think the land belongs to both the Jews and Palestinians, and both are fighting a dirty war with each other. It's not the Jews' fault that they were removed from the land nearly 2000 years ago, and it's not the Palestinians' fault that the British decided to make the state of Israel and try to force the Palestinians out, who had been living there for over a thousand years. That's just my two cents.

as an Israeli, my two cents are that the majority of Israelis and probably many Palestinians do not base their claims on religion whatsoever. the modern movement who worked for the establishment of the modern State of Israel was largely secular. even those who argue about Israel from a religious POV, realize that the Jews who relentlessly worked to make modern Israel a reality were generally secular Europeans.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

as an Israeli, my two cents are that the majority of Israelis and probably many Palestinians do not base their claims on religion whatsoever. the modern movement who worked for the establishment of the modern State of Israel was largely secular. even those who argue about Israel from a religious POV, realize that the Jews who relentlessly worked to make modern Israel a reality were generally secular Europeans.

I'm not doubting this at all. But if it's solely political, then diplomacy can prove highly useful in attempting to bring peace and a solution that all sides can be content with. It's when religion is brought into it that the sides become more hard-lined and unwilling to compromise.

 

[Zion4ever]

Ge:21:22-32: And it came to pass at that time, that Abimelech and Phichol the chief captain
of his host spake unto Abraham, saying, God is with thee in all that thou doest: Now
therefore swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not deal falsely with me, nor with my son,
nor with my son's son: but according to the kindness that I have done unto thee, thou shalt do
unto me, and to the land wherein thou hast sojourned. And Abraham said, I will swear. And
Abraham reproved Abimelech because of a well of water, which Abimelech's servants had
violently taken away. And Abimelech said, I wot not who hath done this thing: neither didst
thou tell me, neither yet heard I of it, but to day. And Abraham took sheep and oxen, and
gave them unto Abimelech; and both of them made a covenant. And Abraham set seven ewe
lambs of the flock by themselves. And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What mean these
seven ewe lambs which thou hast set by themselves? And he said, For these seven ewe lambs
shalt thou take of my hand, that they may be a witness unto me, that I have digged this well.
Wherefore he called that place Beer-sheba; because there they sware both of them. Thus they
made a covenant at Beer-sheba: then Abimelech rose up, and Phichol the chief captain of his
host, and they returned into the land of the Philistines.

The borders that were given to the children of Israel were from several peoples
(Philistines not included) that are mentioned repeatedly in various scriptures.

Ge:15:18-29: In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed
have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The
Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the
Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girga****es, and the Jebusites.
Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very
great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of
the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and
the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan. An Ammonite or Moabite shall
not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not
enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

However, only six nations such as the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites
and the Jebusites were required to be destroyed or not to bargain and made peace with
them (Philistines not included).


Ex:3:8: And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring
them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and
honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites,
and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.
Ex:13:5: And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and
the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy
fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in
this month.
Ex:23:23: For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the
Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will
cut them off.

Ex:33:2: And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the
Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:
Ex:34:11-12: Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before
thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the
Jebusite. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land
whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee.

De:20:10-17: When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto
it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that
all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt
besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite
every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the
cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and
thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. Thus
shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of
these nations. But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for
an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy
them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites,
and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

Case in point.

 

[Caladan]

Not really. he is answering the OP. read the OP please, it asks for references from the Torah.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

Not really. he is answering the OP. read the OP please, it asks for references from the Torah.

Ah, you're right about that. I had forgotten. Blame that on lack of sleep, and trying to keep up with about four threads here. My apologies.

 

[Godobeyer]

You seem to have strange reasons to laugh. maybe I should let out a fart, I'm sure you will find it hilarious too.
Israel is the father of the nation of Israel, can you explain to me what is so funny about a people being called after the father of their nation?

That's very dramatic.
Oh. trust me, it is.

It's just when you want to reply and what want not , say it bad
my concerne is you reach the meaning .

even the Christain could called their countries Christ or Jesus (pbuh) , that would be funny too.

Republic and Democrtic of Jesus Christ
you mean that you were Kingdom of Israel and Now you are republic of Israel ?
Isreal was King or Prophet , and if he was king , how a kingdom in the past change to republic now ?

 

[Caladan]

Ah, you're right about that. I had forgotten. Blame that on lack of sleep, and trying to keep up with about four threads here. My apologies.

No problem. I think that the internet would reflect an atypical debate in general. usually I debate with secular Israelis, over here my positions would be different because for example a Muslim member here voices the traditional indoctrination that the Jews manipulate the world, by default I am going to take a harder stand and be presenting a more pro Israeli perspective. in these kind of debates its rarely that we get past the notion of generalizing one side (either of the sides) because we feel that we are exposed to unusually negative criticism.