palestine is for Jews or arabs ?

[Agnostisch]

The difficulty lies in the fact that all want the same piece, making peace and elusive equation to solve.

This realistic ... But let's look together and going after thinking the truth ... We must use all available our directories

 

[Agnostisch]

The man has a legitimate question though. Why do Zionists have such a special claim on Israel? And why has that claim been honored? Why is it still honored? And why was it seen as fair for these people to knowingly displace, scatter, and murder the pre-existing occupants?

Here I ask about Jews not only Zions , All Jews

 

[Agnostisch]

Muslims do live in Israel as well as Gaza and the West Bank. Palestine does exist, has it's own government that is supplied with money from the US, not that we ever get any credit for it or even a thank you, and I believe they get money from Israel as well.

If Israel wanted to annihilate Palestine, it could quite easily. Certainly some Palestinian groups, if they had the power to annihilate Israel, wouldn't even think twice about it.

I think the main reason Israel is not allowing Palestine complete autonomy is because they can't give away all of their bargaining chips. Why give anything to someone who bombs your cafes, crowded busses, and launch's rockets at your peoples homes? That would be like us saying to Al Qaeda, you can keep on attacking us and we'll give you more and more each time you do so.

Stop the attacks. Agree to live in peace and abide by it. Then you get something in return.

and here we want to ask , why palestinians do such as these acts of violence ... And on the other hand, there are inhumane acts by Zions , peace all need .. but first we want prove the land is for who or the land is for all ?

 

[Agnostisch]

Welcome! And in my opinion, palestine belongs to the people who lives there no matter if they are jews or arabs .

I liked your reply very ... This comment really indicates that both parties deny the truth

 

[Agnostisch]

But what about the practical genocide and blockade to Gaza? How do you explain that?

All these are the results of ... The basic problem is that peace is denied by both parties. Therefore, Israel is trying to prevent any acts of violence against them by the Palestinians and I think they want to separate Gaza from the rest

 

[Agnostisch]

it's like to said this earth is for all human or for gender human !!!!
Jeruselame (or palestine) from along time , even when it's was under Muslims authority ,all the Abrahimic religions praying God in free way , it's saint/holy place for muslims and christains and jews not doubt about that .
maybe the Jews and Christians had some problems with romans or grecs .
for my opinion this conflit between the muslims and jews about this land , would end when we respect our religions law ,and don't allow to killed each other or hurt we each other , and change the mentality of war(hate) to peace/respect .

the philistines of the bible are not the palestinians of today. the name "palestina" for the current area was imposed by the romans - their way of insulting jews after destroying jews's state by naming their new province after jews's ancient enemies. there is no actual connection between modern-day palestine and ancient philistia other than this .

 

[Agnostisch]

i think this is all thanks to religious nuts trying to fulfill religious prophecy... the state of israel was completely unneccessary... we took care of the nazis and kept the peace, if the jews were still not comfortable in germany they could have moved anywhere else they wanted to, usa, france, you name it...instead, we used it as an excuse to push religious agenda to fulfill a prophecy, so that religious zealots can use it to justify their belief as true..... frankly the usa should have no preference to jews over muslims, but they do because we are run by religious nuts.... we dont owe israel jack ****. and yet, if you come out and speak this truth you are labeled anti-american..... and to think that none of this would have happened, had the jews not been so damn cocky in creating their own religion, which made muslims jealous, prompting them to put their own spin on it and invent islam.... so much unneccessary pain and suffering because of religion.

Thank you for your opinion

 

[YmirGF]

i think this is all thanks to religious nuts trying to fulfill religious prophecy... the state of israel was completely unneccessary... we took care of the nazis and kept the peace, if the jews were still not comfortable in germany they could have moved anywhere else they wanted to, usa, france, you name it...instead, we used it as an excuse to push religious agenda to fulfill a prophecy, so that religious zealots can use it to justify their belief as true..... frankly the usa should have no preference to jews over muslims, but they do because we are run by religious nuts.... we dont owe israel jack ****. and yet, if you come out and speak this truth you are labeled anti-american..... and to think that none of this would have happened, had the jews not been so damn cocky in creating their own religion, which made muslims jealous, prompting them to put their own spin on it and invent islam.... so much unneccessary pain and suffering because of religion.

There is so much wrong in this post that it is almost painful.

For the record, for those with limited understanding of these matters, when the "cocky" Jews, um ... created their own religion, there were no Muslims at the time to become jealous. Muhammad did not come onto the scene until almost 2000 years after Moses. Likewise, implying that Muhammad "invented" Islam is deeply insulting to a great many Muslims. Further to this, you do not even mention Christ or the early Christians. Exit question: If the Jews were not inclined to accept Christ as the Messiah, why on Earth would they be inclined to accept Muhammad as a key religious figure? The former allegedly performed miracles and remained fairly peaceful throughout his romp, while Muhammad didn't get much attention outside the Muslim community prior to having an army to back him up.

Thank you for your opinion

You will never find peace by patting grossly misinformed opinion on its pointy little head. (Hint: It only encourages them.)

 

[Super Universe]

and here we want to ask , why palestinians do such as these acts of violence ... And on the other hand, there are inhumane acts by Zions , peace all need .. but first we want prove the land is for who or the land is for all ?

Why do the Palestinians do these acts (launch rockets and mortars at Israel)?

Because they are pawns of the surrounding arab nations who fought and lost three wars against Israel and each time the arab nations lost land to them.

Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Iran, and Jordan don't have to risk their own people or their land and the war essentially continues forever against Israel. It's the Palestinians who take all of the retribution.

 

[Shermana]

we dont owe israel jack ****. and yet, if you come out and speak this truth you are labeled anti-american.....

Well actually, Carter kinda strong armed Israel to hand over the Sinai which it won fair and square and America gives Egypt aid for part of this deal, so America decided to put its paws into the pot and therefore, does in fact "owe" Israel something. Otherwise, America can kindly force Egypt to reliniquish the Sinai if it wants to untangle itself from what it tangled itself into.

 

[Super Universe]

Israel traded the Sinai for peace with Egypt. Yes, the US pressured BOTH sides to reach the deal but that's like blaming the teacher's for breaking up the schoolyard fight.

What other country pays two far away foreign countries just so they can get along?

 

[Godobeyer]

I guess I know Quran better then you.

Surat Al-Ma'idah - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

maybe you mean that you misunderstand the Quran more then me
in which verse of Quran you know the Quran better then me ?

 

[Shermana]

Israel traded the Sinai for peace with Egypt. Yes, the US pressured BOTH sides to reach the deal but that's like blaming the teacher's for breaking up the schoolyard fight.

What other country pays two far away foreign countries just so they can get along?

Sort of. It's like blaming the teacher who didn't necessarily have authority over the two students to begin with for strong arming a deal that benefited one side much more than the other ("Land + money for peace + money)". Anyone who says the US doesn't "owe Israel anything" is thus denying that the US meddled with the natural course of the peace process, which resulted in an unfair deal altogether, in which the US shouldn't have gotten involved to begin with.

 

[Godobeyer]

Why do the Palestinians do these acts (launch rockets and mortars at Israel)?

last time (before two months ) israelis bombing Gaza without any reason ,that mean even the Palestinains don't launch rockets they bombed by the planes

Because they are pawns of the surrounding arab nations who fought and lost three wars against Israel and each time the arab nations lost land to them.

last time in Labonon , Hizballah won by his small army , it's not moderne army as the other countries .
they took it's as a reason to bombing more lobnanis civilains .

Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Iran, and Jordan don't have to risk their own people or their land and the war essentially continues forever against Israel. It's the Palestinians who take all of the retribution.

for my opinion , it's matter of time that the peace will be ,in the midle east ,
because the arabs and Muslims becomes more and more powerful ,when they will have a nuclear weopon the equalation will change .

but i am affraid that the nuclear weopon will reach by extermity people in the both sides .

 

[Shermana]

last time (before two months ) israelis bombing Gaza without any reason ,that mean even the Palestinains don't launch rockets they bombed by the planes

Can you please provide a link that says that the Israelis attacked for no reason whatsoever?

last time in Labonon , Hizballah won by his small army , it's not moderne army as the other countries .
they took it's as a reason to bombing more lobnanis civilains .

You'll have to define what you mean by Hezbollah winning, if anything, international pressure forced Israel to stop the offensive, if they didn't have to walk on eggshells they'd be in Beirut with Nasrallah meeting his virgins within a month. As for bombing civilians, Hezbollah apparently intentionally put civilians in the bombardment zones in order to maximize the casualties on their own side.

Hezbollah's human shields - Washington Times

Somehow I'm assuming you're either unaware of the fact that Hezbollah forces deliberately targeted Israeli civilians or hoping others are.

As for Hezbollah not being a "modern army" that's a relative question, they had top of the line Russian anti-tank missiles and made use of guerilla tactics which require the "modern" army to have to walk on eggshells, if Israel was allowed to pound the villages and areas they hid in into rubble, their guerilla attacks would be much less effective.

for my opinion , it's matter of time that the peace will be ,in the midle east ,
because the arabs and Muslims becomes more and more powerful ,when they will have a nuclear weopon the equalation will change .

So your opinion is that peace will come when the Muslims and Arabs feel they can effectively destroy the Jews.

but i am affraid that the nuclear weopon will reach by extermity people in the both sides .

The Jews already have them, the difference with them is that you only have to worry about the Jews firing them as a last resort or retaliation.

 

[JacobEzra.]

maybe you mean that you misunderstand the Quran more then me
in which verse of Quran you know the Quran better then me ?

You said I had posted a false verse. I prove it isn't. Its not so false when looking in 5;20

 

[Godobeyer]

Can you please provide a link that says that the Israelis attacked for no reason whatsoever?

for exemple this link
BBC News - Israel in air and ground attack on Gaza 'militants'

in this bbc article , is there "after launching rockets " isreal as revenge /defend?

You'll have to define what you mean by Hezbollah winning, if anything, international pressure forced Israel to stop the offensive, if they didn't have to walk on eggshells they'd be in Beirut with Nasrallah meeting his virgins within a month. As for bombing civilians, Hezbollah apparently intentionally put civilians in the bombardment zones in order to maximize the casualties on their own side.

yes the UN ask your army to stop killing the innocent , your armywere not fighting Hezballah , your army just bombing the civilains .

Hezbollah's human shields - Washington Times

this is a western opinion ,it's knowing that your loby control the media in US .

Somehow I'm assuming you're either unaware of the fact that Hezbollah forces deliberately targeted Israeli civilians or hoping others are.

Hezbollah , using the same way that the Israeli army used , their motto ,Reciprocity is the appointed justice .eye by eye ,if you kill my civil i kill yours civil .

As for Hezbollah not being a "modern army" that's a relative question, they had top of the line Russian anti-tank missiles and made use of guerilla tactics which require the "modern" army to have to walk on eggshells, if Israel was allowed to pound the villages and areas they hid in into rubble, their guerilla attacks would be much less effective.

of course , but it's shocked the Israeli army , and stop them in the border .

So your opinion is that peace will come when the Muslims and Arabs feel they can effectively destroy the Jews.

no one say the word "destroy " , i am against the war in general .

The Jews already have them, the difference with them is that you only have to worry about the Jews firing them as a last resort or retaliation.

Pakistan have it , and Iran soon , and i am sure that many Muslim countries could have it , and i am sure that some muslim countries had it secret places .

the nuclear weapon is not that big secrect or miracle for many countries .

 

[Godobeyer]

You said I had posted a false verse. I prove it isn't. Its not so false when looking in 5;20

from Surat Al-Ma'idah - The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

5-21
And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds.
5-20
O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers."

first of all , Moses called to his people , not God called to his people .
yes God gave HIS land and HIS Prophetsand HIS book .

“O children of Israel, remember my favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you above all creation.” (Qur’an 2:47, 2:122). *

Indeed we gave the children of Israel the Book, and wisdom, and the prophecy, and we provided them with good things and favored them above all creation.

but God decide to deny you because you disbelieved in Jesus (pbuh) and his Gospel .
and then you disbelieved Muhammad (pbuh) .
as i told you God promiss you that He will provoke you by foolish nation , it's done .

 

[Shermana]

O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you

So where does it say that it's no longer assigned to them?

 

[Flankerl]

for exemple this link
BBC News - Israel in air and ground attack on Gaza 'militants'

in this bbc article , is there "after launching rockets " isreal as revenge /defend?

It went like this.

- I clicked on the link

- I read 2 sentences and there it was

"The Israeli military said aircraft and tanks had targeted a "terrorist squad" planting an explosive device near the security fence."

I must be some kind of genius.

this is a western opinion ,it's knowing that your loby control the media in US .

Ah the jewish kraken. Again.

Hezbollah , using the same way that the Israeli army used , their motto ,Reciprocity is the appointed justice .eye by eye ,if you kill my civil i kill yours civil .

How come Hezbollah attacked Israeli civilians even though the Israelis didnt do anything?
How come Hezbollah still wants to free "Lebanese territory occupied by Israel" even though not a cm is occupied?

no one say the word "destroy " , i am against the war in general .

Of course.