Palestinians under attack

[FearGod]

So, let me get this straight. You are saying that Israel is in the wrong because they killed more people than Hamas did? I would say you might want to think what the death toll in Israel would be if the rockets fired by Hamas were not intercepted and shot down. Are you saying that Israel is at fault because Hamas is using civilians as a shield? Even the UN admitted that Hamas rockets were found in a school being funded by the UN. Did Israel reject the cease fire put forth by Egypt? No, they accepted it but Hamas rejected it. Until the people of Gaza decided they have had enough of the Hamas terrorist and eject them from Gaza they have no expectation of not having Israel protect "their" citizens from Hamas when Hamas attacks Israel.

Do you want to get it straight right.

Israeli soldiers are losing and they fled from the battle field because they are cowards, till today they are only killing the civilians and not the fighters.

Just keep watching the news.

AL-QASSAM’S ROCKETS ATTACKS SEND THOUSANDS OF ZIONISTS HIDING

Israel recognized that the two rockets proving their “iron dome” technology failed to intercept the rockets

 

[Flankerl]

Even the UN admitted that Hamas rockets were found in a school being funded by the UN.

The funny part of the story is how UNRWA gave Hamas the rockets back.

Do you want to get it straight right.

Israeli soldiers are losing and they fled from the battle field because they are cowards, till today they are only killing the civilians and not the fighters.

Just keep watching the news.

AL-QASSAM’S ROCKETS ATTACKS SEND THOUSANDS OF ZIONISTS HIDING

Israel recognized that the two rockets proving their “iron dome” technology failed to intercept the rockets

Next up on your arabnews channel: "Hamas liberates Tel-Aviv and marches towards Haifa, millions of dirty Jews convert to Islam, TAKBIR"

 

[FearGod]

Next up on your arabnews channel: "Hamas liberates Tel-Aviv and marches towards Haifa, millions of dirty Jews convert to Islam, TAKBIR"

You said liberate Tel Aviv.
Good that you admitted that it is occupied by what you called them as dirty Jews and which i don't agree with you in calling people as dirty, it is kind of insult.

 

[Moishe3rd]

Do you want to get it straight right.

Israeli soldiers are losing and they fled from the battle field because they are cowards, till today they are only killing the civilians and not the fighters.

Just keep watching the news.

AL-QASSAM’S ROCKETS ATTACKS SEND THOUSANDS OF ZIONISTS HIDING

Israel recognized that the two rockets proving their “iron dome” technology failed to intercept the rockets

Freedom of Mind?
Hate much, you who most definitely do not fear G-d?
I suspect that you do not understand that your comments make you disgusting in both the eyes of Man and of G-d.
If the god you worship is a god of Death who delights in the fear and suffering of anyone, you might want to rethink that paradigm...

 

[FearGod]

Freedom of Mind?
Hate much, you who most definitely do not fear G-d?
I suspect that you do not understand that your comments make you disgusting in both the eyes of Man and of G-d.
If the god you worship is a god of Death who delights in the fear and suffering of anyone, you might want to rethink that paradigm...

Are you kidding ?

Do you want the Palestinians to live in a jail called Gaza as to be a peaceful people and if they asked for some space of freedom then they have to face death ?

The soldiers went to invade Gaza and it is a war and it isn't about God of death.

What kind of humanity is this ?

 

[Moishe3rd]

Are you kidding ?

Do you want the Palestinians to live in a jail called Gaza as to be a peaceful people and if they asked for some space of freedom then they have to face death ?

The soldiers went to invade Gaza and it is a war and it isn't about God of death.

What kind of humanity is this ?

No. Not kidding.
Your misplaced vitriol damages you.
Lying and falsifying information is nothing new. Mankind engages in this kind of self deception all the time.
But, praising Evil and slandering the Good is always going to greatly damage a person.

 

[FearGod]

No. Not kidding.
Your misplaced vitriol damages you.
Lying and falsifying information is nothing new. Mankind engages in this kind of self deception all the time.
But, praising Evil and slandering the Good is always going to greatly damage a person.

Gaza is made as a jail by Israel, they can't have even their own port.

What falsifying information that you are talking about ?
Shame on you man !!

 

[CMike]

As opposed to you.

Yeah I think aljazeera is a better source of information than you are...

Tom

I'm sure it isn't.

 

[CMike]

The Israeli soldiers wanted to invade Gaza, their leaders don't care about them or even about their people.

Gaza doesn't want war but wants freedom,lets the Israeli leaders agree to give freedom for Gaza and peace and love will be the outcome.

Really? Shooting over a thousand rockets into Israel really didn't show an aversion to war.

Hamas also didn't accept the Egypt cease fire agreement, which Israel agreed to.

Israel agreed to a five hour cease hour to bring humanitarian aid into Gaza, and Hamas violated it by shooting rockets into Israeli cities during that time.

 

[CMike]

It seems that neither side particularly cares about their people.

That's completely untrue.

As Netanyahu said...

Israel uses weapons to protect it's civilians, the Hamas government uses civilians to protect it's weapons.

Also Israel has called, texted, and dropped leaflets to the arabs living in areas that they are going to attack to leave. I have not heard of any other country doing that.

 

[FearGod]

Really? Shooting over a thousand rockets into Israel really didn't show an aversion to war.

Hamas also didn't accept the Egypt cease fire agreement, which Israel agreed to.

Israel agreed to a five hour cease hour to bring humanitarian aid into Gaza, and Hamas violated it by shooting rockets into Israeli cities during that time.

Gaza wants freedom or to suicide, they accepted already their fate as to live in dignity or to die.

You can't judge who violated ceasing fire while you are sitting at home or listening to media or even hearing the siren and the sound of explosion.

 

[Flankerl]

Gaza wants freedom or to suicide, they accepted already their fate as to live in dignity or to die.

Yeah i bet the average civilian just wants to die for Hamas and Co.

Why? Well Hamas says so.

 

[FearGod]

Yeah i bet the average civilian just wants to die for Hamas and Co.

Why? Well Hamas says so.

You don't feel about people's pain and you won't.
What surprising me that you chose your location as German exile.

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Professor of American Jews to defend the Palestinians in response to the Jewish Student - YouTube

 

[metis]

Hamas has made its own "bed", and the unfortunate reality is that they have created an atmosphere whereas so many innocent Palestinians and Israelis are now dying, and it may well get worse before it gets better. It's obvious that they wanted this fight, not only by turning down numerous cease-fire requests but also their continued bombardment of civilian targets in Israel prior to the latest round of hostilities. No other country would put up with that, and Israel hasn't and shouldn't.

What's the "end game" going to be? I don't know, but to me the reality is that Hamas has to be mostly disarmed or we all will be right back in the same predicament in a couple of more years, or maybe even less. Hamas is a terrorist organization and is recognized as such by the U.S., the E.U., Canada, Australia, and many other countries. It's charter clearly states its intent as far as Israel is concerned, so I frankly don't see any room for compromise with such an element.

Therefore, this is war, and the truly unfortunate reality of modern warfare is that mostly civilians get killed. For example, more people were killed in the liberation of Europe in the latter part of WWII than when the NAZI's overran it, and the vast majority of those people were civilians-- not military personnel.

And we see some people here claiming Israel is being overly brutal, but one question I have for them is where were the same type of comments with the mass slaughter in Syria and Iraq whereas it was and is Muslem versus Muslem? Where was their outrage then? Compared to what has taken place in both of those countries, this pales in comparison. However, even one death is one too many, imo.

Hamas wants war, and war has consequences.

 

[FearGod]

Hamas has made its own "bed", and the unfortunate reality is that they have created an atmosphere whereas so many innocent Palestinians and Israelis are now dying, and it may well get worse before it gets better. It's obvious that they wanted this fight, not only by turning down numerous cease-fire requests but also their continued bombardment of civilian targets in Israel prior to the latest round of hostilities. No other country would put up with that, and Israel hasn't and shouldn't.

What's the "end game" going to be? I don't know, but to me the reality is that Hamas has to be mostly disarmed or we all will be right back in the same predicament in a couple of more years, or maybe even less. Hamas is a terrorist organization and is recognized as such by the U.S., the E.U., Canada, Australia, and many other countries. It's charter clearly states its intent as far as Israel is concerned, so I frankly don't see any room for compromise with such an element.

Therefore, this is war, and the truly unfortunate reality of modern warfare is that mostly civilians get killed. For example, more people were killed in the liberation of Europe in the latter part of WWII than when the NAZI's overran it, and the vast majority of those people were civilians-- not military personnel.

And we see some people here claiming Israel is being overly brutal, but one question I have for them is where were the same type of comments with the mass slaughter in Syria and Iraq whereas it was and is Muslem versus Muslem? Where was their outrage then? Compared to what has taken place in both of those countries, this pales in comparison. However, even one death is one too many, imo.

Hamas wants war, and war has consequences.

Yes Hamas wants war and they wouldn't stop it till the last man that could stay alive, but watch and see how Israel will make an agreement with what you call them as terrorists and they did an agreement with them before.

Hamas during 15 days of war still fighting and the injuries were only among civilians mostly children and women.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Hamas has made its own "bed", and the unfortunate reality is that they have created an atmosphere whereas so many innocent Palestinians and Israelis are now dying, and it may well get worse before it gets better. It's obvious that they wanted this fight, not only by turning down numerous cease-fire requests but also their continued bombardment of civilian targets in Israel prior to the latest round of hostilities. No other country would put up with that, and Israel hasn't and shouldn't.

What's the "end game" going to be? I don't know, but to me the reality is that Hamas has to be mostly disarmed or we all will be right back in the same predicament in a couple of more years, or maybe even less. Hamas is a terrorist organization and is recognized as such by the U.S., the E.U., Canada, Australia, and many other countries. It's charter clearly states its intent as far as Israel is concerned, so I frankly don't see any room for compromise with such an element.

Therefore, this is war, and the truly unfortunate reality of modern warfare is that mostly civilians get killed. For example, more people were killed in the liberation of Europe in the latter part of WWII than when the NAZI's overran it, and the vast majority of those people were civilians-- not military personnel.

And we see some people here claiming Israel is being overly brutal, but one question I have for them is where were the same type of comments with the mass slaughter in Syria and Iraq whereas it was and is Muslem versus Muslem? Where was their outrage then? Compared to what has taken place in both of those countries, this pales in comparison. However, even one death is one too many, imo.

Hamas wants war, and war has consequences.

Once again another one leaves the beginning of the story out and uses the boogeyman Hamas.

"Now for the sake of argument: Suppose we wake up tomorrow morning and there is no Hamas to shoot off any useless rockets towards Israel. Then what? The magnificent Israeli benevolence will move into operation and return the stolen Palestine to their rightful owners? Of course not. Suppose Hamas did not even exist since its founding in 1987. Then what? Israel would have by now returned Palestine to its rightful owners? Of course not.

Palestinians are varied and Palestinians are entirely entitled to resist and oppose the occupation and theft of their homeland by any means they deem necessary - whether it is by a beautiful song by Muhammad Assaf, a magnificent poem by Mahmoud Darwish, a film by Elia Suleiman, a novel by Ghassan Kanafani, a book on Palestinian costumes by Widad Kawar, or another on Palestinian cuisine by Rawia Bishara or by the militant Marxist organisation PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine), or indeed through the Islamist ideology of Hamas.

One may not agree with Hamas, may not join them, but one cannot reduce the entire tapestry of Palestinian resistance to Hamas, or tell Hamas to disband, for Israelis are about to return Palestine to its rightful owners."

Taken from Does Hamas provoke Israel to attack Gaza?

So really ...
* if Hamas is gone tomorrow, Israel will give up all the illegal settlements and stop building new settlements which are funded in large part by the Israeli governament ?

* if Hamas is gone tomorrow, Israel will take down this Apartheid wall in West Bank ? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_haUxZZoiOtI/S-6ibTfbcMI/AAAAAAAABhA/5W96T6OlrdI/s1600/apartheid+wall.jpg

* if Hamas is gone tomorrow, Israel will stop demolishing existing buildings and homes in Palestinian areas

* if Hamas is gone tomorrow, will Israel relinquish controls of the borders, air space, water, tax revenues, utilities, farm land and other vital matters pertaining to the Occupied Territories.

Israel alone issues the identity cards that determine the ability of Palestinians to work and their freedom of movement. No other people on the face of earth would accept such controls and restrictions on their day to day life . So I take it that if Hamas is gone tomorrow, Palestinians will be able to freely decide on their own destiny and freedom ? Israel had been occupying Palestinian territory and choking them to death for more than three decades before a single rocket was fired into Israel. So, for humanity's sake quit lying and covering up. If you want a solution, look at the root cause of the problem - if you are sincere.

Peace.

 

[Flankerl]

What surprising me that you chose your location as German exile.

How so and what is it to you?

 

[metis]

As Golda Meir once said, there will only be peace when the Arabs love their own children more than they hate Israel.

Secondly, regardless as to whether anyone thinks that Israel should have been created, the fact is that it exists. To argue it's existence at this point is fruitless, much like arguing whether the U.S. or Egypt or Turkey should exist. They exist-- as does Israel.

Again, if one wants to justify Hamas' actions, they can find or invent reasons, but that really doesn't deal with the reality that it is a terrorist organization that is more than willing to sacrifice it's own civilian population, including even its own children. Which other country uses its own children as human shields?

And it's truly pathetic that there's some here who claim that Hamas should fight to the death, which also means that children should also be sacrificed. That approach adds even more credibility to Golda Meir's rather prophetic statement.

 

[metis]

Once again another one leaves the beginning of the story out and uses the boogeyman Hamas...

Peace.

Sorry, but you also left out way too much that preceded the above. War not only has its consequences, so do other acts of terrorism.

Shalom

 

[ametist]

Once again another one leaves the beginning of the story out and uses the boogeyman Hamas.

"Now for the sake of argument: Suppose we wake up tomorrow morning and there is no Hamas to shoot off any useless rockets towards Israel. Then what? The magnificent Israeli benevolence will move into operation and return the stolen Palestine to their rightful owners? Of course not. Suppose Hamas did not even exist since its founding in 1987. Then what? Israel would have by now returned Palestine to its rightful owners? Of course not.

Palestinians are varied and Palestinians are entirely entitled to resist and oppose the occupation and theft of their homeland by any means they deem necessary - whether it is by a beautiful song by Muhammad Assaf, a magnificent poem by Mahmoud Darwish, a film by Elia Suleiman, a novel by Ghassan Kanafani, a book on Palestinian costumes by Widad Kawar, or another on Palestinian cuisine by Rawia Bishara or by the militant Marxist organisation PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine), or indeed through the Islamist ideology of Hamas.

One may not agree with Hamas, may not join them, but one cannot reduce the entire tapestry of Palestinian resistance to Hamas, or tell Hamas to disband, for Israelis are about to return Palestine to its rightful owners."

Taken from Does Hamas provoke Israel to attack Gaza?

So really ...
* if Hamas is gone tomorrow, Israel will give up all the illegal settlements and stop building new settlements which are funded in large part by the Israeli governament ?

* if Hamas is gone tomorrow, Israel will take down this Apartheid wall in West Bank ? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_haUxZZoiOtI/S-6ibTfbcMI/AAAAAAAABhA/5W96T6OlrdI/s1600/apartheid+wall.jpg

* if Hamas is gone tomorrow, Israel will stop demolishing existing buildings and homes in Palestinian areas

* if Hamas is gone tomorrow, will Israel relinquish controls of the borders, air space, water, tax revenues, utilities, farm land and other vital matters pertaining to the Occupied Territories.

Israel alone issues the identity cards that determine the ability of Palestinians to work and their freedom of movement. No other people on the face of earth would accept such controls and restrictions on their day to day life . So I take it that if Hamas is gone tomorrow, Palestinians will be able to freely decide on their own destiny and freedom ? Israel had been occupying Palestinian territory and choking them to death for more than three decades before a single rocket was fired into Israel. So, for humanity's sake quit lying and covering up. If you want a solution, look at the root cause of the problem - if you are sincere.

Peace.

Thank you. This pretty much sums it up.
Peace to you as well.